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Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Emma, Sep 14, 2012.

  1. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    J Swift offered up an interesting observation on Tony's blog:

    1. OCMB was the hot board at the cutting edge of the Karmic Vortex when Tom Cruise jumped the couch. OCMB then came close to imploding due to trolls and flame wars.

    The legendary board owner's refusal to do any kind of moderation whatsoever only made the situation worse.

    2. As OCMB was imploding in flame wars, Emma astutely opened up ESMB. This created a great opportunity for former Church members to speak out freely without all of the vitriol of OCMB had at that time. Emma was not afraid to moderate, suspend, or ban posters.

    ESMB held the cutting edge for awhile and then it became divided into the two same basic camps it is today. ESMB remains a great board, but it is very predictable and few surprises happen there.

    For example: Veda has posted the Brainwashing Manual at least 500,000 times since ESMB began. Veda has also posted the 1984 Judge Brinkema quote at least 900,000 times.

    3. As ESMB was going sideways into its permanent divide, Anonymous came out of nowhere and emerged as the red hot cutting edge of the Karmic Vortex. The Cult was overwhelmed and ran inside of its Orgs and hid under the Onslaught of Anonymous.

    The Cult immediately went into its David Miscavige Drama Queen mode and mailed itself fake anthrax to hopes of having the FBI arrest Anonymous.

    4. As Anonymous was winding down from its large street protests phase, Marty powered up with his blog and took over the cutting edge of the Karmic Vortex.

    5. As Marty's blog stabilized into a very reliable source of breaking news and insider information on the Cult. Tony Ortega's blog surged to take the cutting edge by eclipsing Marty at times with breaking news and leaks on the Cult.

    Unless the VV immediately replaces Tony Ortega with someone who shares Tony's focused efforts to expose the Cult of Scientology's human rights abuses and crimes, the cutting edge of the Karmic Vortex will easily move elsewhere as it has done for years and years.

    Activists who work to dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form are highly mobile. All of us can all easily move our daily posting elsewhere to a media outlet that cares enough to host the cutting edge of the Vortex and reap the rewards that goes with it.
  2. Boomima

    Boomima Patron with Honors

    I think he left before the Voice was shut down.

    No one wants to be captain when the ship is sinking.

    "Alt-weeklies are always dying. But the news Friday that four editorial staffers were laid off or had their hours cut to part-time at The Village Voice — two features writers, a news blogger and a listings editor — makes the sad fact of that paper’s eventual demise, evident for years, more immediate. The paper now has one news blogger, two features writers, a music editor, a few people working on listings and one critic, aided by a couple contributors, writing about food.
    The layoffs at the Voice weren’t the only ones: papers across the Village Voice Media company, which owns more or less every notable alternative weekly nowadays, experienced layoffs, I’ve learned, including those in Minneapolis, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas, and Broward-Palm Beach. The Voice itself is planning to move out of its iconic East Village office space in the near future, as I and other staff members found out last year. There have been many ends of an era for a paper that always prided itself at being on the vanguard, but this one seems permanent and final: “I can’t imagine how much leaner they can get,” said a friend of mine who was recently let go from the Dallas Observer."
  3. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Positions Vacant: Hard hitting Journalist required; must be intelligent, thick-skinned, tolerant of Institutionalised Idiocy and able to see through Bullshit Screens (X-Ray vision preferred).

    The successful applicant will be amply rewarded with well-meant applause and advice from others but may, at times, wonder WTF he/she was thinking at the time of deciding to take on this job.

    Thank you Tony Ortega for all that you have done! :clap:
  4. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Yes, thankyou Tony Ortega.

    A huge amount of links to Village Voice have been posted here, every time a scientology story broke Tony was on top of it, and for an awfully long time. The Voice will certainly feel the loss of those click throughs and that will be quickly evident I would imagine. Scientology has always attacked the Voice for it's other colourful content and it seems from what I have read above that ship is sinking and it's probably a good idea for Tony to go. And as Mary noted, there were some great commenters there too, who hopefully will come here now.

    I wish him all the best, I thank him for the magnificent work he has done to expose scientology's crimes, and may there be much more to come, in whatever form he chooses.

  5. NCSP

    NCSP Patron Meritorious

    I think people who think he wasn't really devoted to the subject of Scientology don't realize how difficult it is, and how much time it takes, to build up even a basic level of competence with the subject for people who were never in the cult, and therefore highly motivated to learn.
  6. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you, FoTi--you expressed EXACTLY how I feel. Here's
    my video to Tony O with links to some of his best stories, per him:

    ALWAYS____Tony O :bighug:

    PLEASE, PLEASE create a blog. We will ALL miss you (an you us, too)
    WAYYYYYY too much!


    Burbank, CA
    (818) 588-3044---Stay in touch :yes:
  7. Boomima

    Boomima Patron with Honors

    The Voice company has also been engaged in legal wars over its very controversial

    "On Friday, three girls — two 13 and one 15 at the time they ran away from home — filed suit in Pierce County Superior Court against, alleging it allowed them to be bought and sold over the site for sex by the pimps who captured them.

    According to the News Tribune, the lawsuit says pimps photographed the 13-year-old in lingerie to post on, which drew “many, many adult men” as customers. The suit linked the 15-year-old to a 33-year-old pimp named Baruti Hopson, now serving a 26-year prison term for child rape, assault and promoting sexual abuse of a minor."

    See also:

    Obviously, The Voice has its own take on this but this is another distraction. Tony O. has done his Scientology work elsewhere and no doubt he will again.
  8. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Whatever. I agree with almost all posts on this thread so far :)

    All the interest shown in "The Master" as a warm up to it's release, followed by all the interest it will cause, and all the other awareness-raising shitstorms for 2 years....well,
    Tony's book will have the chance to be a best seller! :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Tony has probably been waiting for the most opportune time to get down to writing the book. Whether or not he was being pushed a bit, the opportunity for the book must be at its peak right now.

    I am also wondering if any other book writer so far had ever built up such a reserve of sources. No slight on any previous writers; but Tony is now VERY connected.
  9. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Tony's book will have the chance to be a best seller! :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Tony is a smart guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he was writing the book all along. and now needs just some short amount of time to finish. :confused2:
  10. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Any teenager with a laptop and wifi can set up a blog at wordpress or blogspot. Out of the many blogs out there, a handful of them are really lucrative. The blog sites have ways that you can monetize a blog based on hits. Tony already has a huge following from the critic and ex community. If he wanted to set up shop to focus solely on the Co$, he has his options.

    I think he is choosing the option that will turn him into a NY Times best-selling author. He won't even have to have all the WWP, ESMB, OCMB, etc., members buying up hundreds of books and returning them to B. Dalton with the stickers still on.
  11. GoNuclear

    GoNuclear Gold Meritorious Patron

  12. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Those "stats" are amazing, in as much as I have only about 8,600 posts. However, it is a revealing peek at what type of information bugs Scientology.

    Judge Brinkema? I think he means Judge Breckenridge, a judge much disliked by both outside the CofS and inside the CofS Scientologists.

    Notice that the only place "stabilizing" and "reliable" is Rathbun's blog.

    An excerpt from a J. Swift post of a while back:

    "Where Scientology is concerned, Mainstream Culture has swung to supporting the Independent practice of Scientology...

    "There are no mainstream journalists, academics, or popular authors who oppose Independent Scientology.

    "Those of us who support the Indies are growing in numbers."

    It's interesting that J. Swift has also referred to Gerry Armstrong as a "scofflaw" for not abiding by the terms of the Scientology gag order.

    Back to the topic of Tony Ortega - We'll have to wait and see what develops. The rest is speculation.
  13. Stat

    Stat Gold Meritorious Patron

    What Tony Ortega announced and what's behind it, will be in his book too, I imagine. And for a good reason.
  14. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    EDIT: On second thoughts, that was a bit sententious, so I deleted it.
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2012
  15. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    J. Swift is my most favorite poster of all time.

    I am on the boards because of J. Swift.
    This is one of J. Swifts best posts ever, done at a time when there was a lot of in-fighting​

  16. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    J Swift, or Smurf, is very discreet about WWP, so discreet it is not mentioned at all. Otherwise IMO this is an interesting and accurate resume. YMMV. The sum total is increased rather than reduced as the cutting edge moves around. All of the best stuff is somewhere on the Web, as permanent wikis or published in real life in a growing pile of books.

    The other side of the coin is the dwindling effectiveness and speed of the cult's response which at the start was brutal and terrifying and recently has been virtually invisible.
  17. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Posted as a public service:ohmy::

    At this time, Marty Rathbun's function is mainly PR and PR damage control for L. Ron Hubbard's reputation and L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology's reputation.

    David Miscavige is universally unpopular, and riding the wave of that (well deserved) unpopularity is a guaranteed path (so the idea goes) into the minds of those Marty&Friends are seeking to persuade.

    The outside the CoS Scientologists have finally found an effective "button" to "push," with which to apply the following "LRH datum." That button is the "Church" of Scientology as run by David Miscavige, with Miscavige regarded as an "anti-Scientologist":

    "The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly considered evils [Miscavige, and Miscavology, i.e. perverted or 'Reverse Scientology', i.e., 'anti-Scientology']. This declassifies us from former labels. It reclassifies our attackers as evil people."

    Confidential 'Black Propaganda' 12 January 1972

    Notice how Scientology (and its stinky reputation) becomes "reverse" or "anti" Scientology, right before our very eyes, and it's supposed to be a seamless transition. Then, the "true Scientologists" become the good guys fighting the "reverse Scientologists" (Miscavige and the '1.1s" on ESMB, OCMB, WWP, and other places etc.) and the "anti Scientologists" (which becomes anyone who persists in not being "handled" or cannot otherwise be used by the true Scientologists) become the bad guys.

    Neat huh? :)
  18. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    It's a little more than just an "attempt at humor."

    IMO, most ex-Scientologists don't want to re-handled by Scientology. I know I don't. :)
  19. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Short version of Marty message:

    I would like to indicate that your ruin is David Miscavige.
    Scientology can help you to handle that.
    That is your next step on the Bridge To Total Freedom.

  20. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    Yeah. But at VV he got a salary, and presumably his costs for things like traveling to Texas for Cook's trial and other things he had to do were covered as business expenses. If you start your own blog (or go off to write a book, for that matter) you're on your own.

    Something else I thought of: He might not be allowed to have an independent blog on Scientology; not for a while, anyway. He may have a non-compete signed with VV. I would imagine that kind of thing is pretty common. New York isn't a right to work state; non-competes tend to stick a lot more in places like that.
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2012