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Note to those interviewing John Travolta

Discussion in 'Scientology Celebrities' started by Mimsey Borogrove, Apr 7, 2015.

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  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    if you are interviewing John Travolta and he responds with his statement that Scientology has been beautiful to him, and why should he watch the doc based on the reports he has heard?

    Please make him aware that the whole point of the documentary is that Scientology creates within its adherents a resistance to look beyond the church's own internal PR.

    While it is wonderful he has had such a great experience with Scientology, what about those that have not?

    As an A list actor, and thus a spokesperson for Scientology, wouldn't it be in Scientology's own interest to keep him in the dark about the less than savory issues the church has? Wouldn't they go out of their way to make his experience exemplary of their ideals?

    Please ask him, as an opinion leader within the church, doesn't he have a greater responsibility to both the public at large, and the everyday Scientologist, to look beyond the pr, the statements by his handlers and see what is really going on?

    Doesn't he have a responsibility to stand up for those whose experiences are less than ideal?

    It is not about attacking Scientology, it's about correcting those aspects of it that are inappropriate.

    Please ask him, when he is told the Doc has statements by his friend Spanky Taylor, and yet he refuses to watch the Doc, isn't he is shirking his responsibility to her and to the rest of us?

    Mimsey

    REF: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/john-travolta-defends-scientology-going-786710

     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2015
  2. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

  3. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Another point worth mentioning. If you ask him about his responsibility for those with less than ideal experiences in Scientology, he will likely try to duck it by saying some variation of each person is responsible for their own condition or life.

    This is a Scientology platitude and it is an interesting mental trap.

    While it may be true we are each responsible for our own conditions, it doesn't work in a group. Other people interact in our lives all the time. These interactions are negative, positive, neutral, aesthetic, etc.

    That simple statement has the effect of breaking down the group into individuals. While that maybe true, a group is composed of individuals - it is extremely difficult for an individual to survive at all without a group.

    How long would a single cell of yours survive away from the body?

    It also has the effect of making the individual into being responsible for all effects received, making the person into a sort of "only one", where he has to look to why he got salmonella poisoning yesterday. What did he do to warrant being sick? It can be very introverting.

    Thus, one can say it was your fault you ate the tainted food that was served you. It is your fault you had a less than beautiful experience in Scientology.

    So, if he tries to duck it by using this platitude, you should ask him, doesn't he, as a celebrity effecting the lives of many others, have a responsibility for the effects his words about Scientology has on others, doesn't he have a duty to look beyond his personal experiences and look and see what others are experiencing?

    If he putting his stamp on something, shouldn't it be up to snuff for everybody?

    Mimsey
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2015
  4. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Actually saying a person is responsible for their own condition is magical thinking ( sometimes called karma but not always that particular concept ) and illogical . It does not take into account other factors and human limitations and different aptitudes and opportunities and social psychology and is fundamentally wrong in conventional science . It also discourages compassion as "why should I help a downstat who is just mocking up case on post ? " is the attitude of a Scientologist .

    IF he tries that you can say "so ALL of the millions of children starving or being used as sex slaves are INTENTIONALLY mocking it up ? " and show how sympathetic he really is . He can explain how he thinks they were all child molesters in earlier lives and are pulling it in !!! And have Jenna Elfman along to show her take on it !!!
     
  5. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    Honestly you can just ask him tons of questions were you let him gush about his gains and get him to blather on and confirm he achieved the clear state and his OT levels and course and then ask about his abilities as a clear and he will have to admit far less than the perfect memory and error free thinking . And then hit him with facts about the first clear and about the 273 clears from DMSMH who never existed and the quotes from all of the congresses in the sixties where Hubbard said " Now we have cleared nailed down finally for sure !" every six months !! And show a few contradictions from Hubbard doctrine where he says the exact opposite of earlier statements over and over . You never need to mention Xenu or Bts . The low level info is packed with pure gold for tearing Hubbard and his lies down to dust and JT does not have the wits to defend it . Sorry ,Vinnie Barbarino is just a sweat hog .

    You can point out the genocidal material in the PTS/SP course and SOS and that the chart of human evaluation to be made with real science would need thousands of patients examined extensively over decades with millions of pages of records ( as Hubbard made very detailed claims about medical conditions accompanying tone levels and changing over the course of a life and declining naturally until death ) - where the fuck are they ? On target two motherfucker ?

    You can make that dim witted cult shill piss and shit himself and NEVER talk to hostile reporters about anything again . Back into the closet you go .