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Oh! God!!!

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Vinaire, May 6, 2009.

  1. Vinaire

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    The assumption here seems to be that that there is an inherent beingness called God. The Semitic (Abrahamic) religions are based on that assumption.

    The word "Abraham" seems to come from A-Brahma (Not Brahma).

    One of the conjectures is that Abraham was not a man but a cult that separated from the Vedic religion. The Vedic religion does not assume the ultimate reality to be a Being. It views the ultimate reality as Brahma (Unknowable).

    So the cult of Abraham insisted that the ultimate reality must be a Being. This cult originated in the East and then moved West.

    There is no such inherent Being as God, who has monopoly on all the earliest considerations. The beings came later. Beings seem to have been formed from a condensation of awareness as it identified itself with the physical manifestations.

    Pondering over if one is situated relative to the physical universe, or if the physical universe is situated relative to one is simply playing with one's considerations. It may be fun, like anything else.

  2. Vinaire

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    Science has a limit in terms of the Physical universe. One is investigating things in the physical universe by comparing them to other things in the physical universe.

    Ultimately, science is a matter of consistency within the Physical universe. It is a closed system within which consistency is sought. There is nothing fixed beyond the physical universe to use as a criterion. Hence there is no science per se beyond the physical universe.

    How the physical universe came about is anybody's guess.

  3. Vinaire

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    Scientology pretends to be a science. It tries to extend the physical universe to a beingness that has created that universe.

    However, that effort on Scientology's part embroils it into an inconsistency. Any such beingness would simply be an aspect of the physical universe; and any aspect of the physical universe cannot create the physical universe.

    That is the same inconsistency that we find in Semitic religions, and ultimately, in the upper regions of Western science as well... just look at the failure of the String Theory (see TROUBLE WITH PHYSICS by Lee Smolin).

  4. Vinaire

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    That is true. Dilution occurs the moment one tries to define the Unknowable as a knowable entity called God.

  5. Vinaire

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    It may be possible to treat awareness and "self-determinism" as a phenomenon objectively.

  6. Vinaire

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    The subject of SPACE continues to be very fascinating to me. Space appears to signify both EXISTENCE and AWARENESS to me. It is the changes in the character of space that seems to appear as electromagnetic vibrations and light.

    It is that character of space, which, currently, fascinates me the most.

  7. Vinaire

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    There is no absolute truth. There is only consistency of one thing to another.

    Science is the consistency of what we observe.

    Art is the consistency of what we feel.

    Rationality is the consistency of what we think.

    Religion is the consistency of what we dream of.

  8. Vinaire

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    The basic self seems to be just a viewpoint. It forms and then it vanishes.

    There is no inherent permanency to a viewpoint. But then certain aspects of a viewpoint may linger and persist.

    And so, the self comes about, and it appears to be permanent.

  9. Vinaire

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    Consciousness seems to be the ability to view what is there, whether it is some reality, or feeling, or thought, or dream.

    Last edited: Dec 24, 2010
  10. jason45654

    jason45654 New Member

    Hi all

    seems like a good subject

    I am interested in this scientology

    God bless