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PAC Staff Secrets

Discussion in 'Staff "War Stories"' started by duddins, Nov 11, 2007.

  1. MarkWI

    MarkWI Patron Meritorious

    Per my little knowledge of lie detectors, none of them detects lies, they all detect changes in the body, as the meter do; they all require interpretation, as the meter do, they are all used to pull the truth out of somebody, as the meter is used in Security Checks. Truth is of course a subjective truth, probably what one considers to be the truth. That may explain OTIII.

    I too had case gains on Grade II, Confessionals are good if, as I said, are administered with forgiveness and confidentiality.

    It is not the case here, it is not the case of Security Checks to gather info and control people.

    About sunny days, I may need some training :D and a not well trained Sec Checker.

  2. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    Exactly! I know that I myself and others gained from the practice of Confessing. I feel that I have gained from confessing this experience today.

    However, the use of such information by a private company is against the law for good reason. It violates basic human rights of privacy. While these rights are at times infringed upon, we have the right to demand retribution. I guess because Scientology calls itself a church, it is assumed that what an individual is subjected to is voluntary.

    What may not be understood however, is that when one is employed by the church......and lives on the church grounds, and/or has family in the church, or has their entire life tied up in the church.....that such infringements may not be voluntary, but required in order to maintain one's connections to friends and loved ones, or to keep one's job.
  3. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    That was my understanding too, when I first started out in the SO.

    I learned that reality on the inside was quite different.
  4. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Dear Bernadette,
    Thanks for telling us all. and if I may say so the world.

    You have my forgiveness. And I'm sure that of many others.

    I think you've earned that forgiveness. Anyone who disagrees can come through me on this!
  5. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Oh Yes Alan!!!

    COS operates on reverse ethics tech and admin. On lldynmics.
  6. MarkWI

    MarkWI Patron Meritorious

    Yes. These are my feelings too.
    Thank you Bernadette! :hug:

  7. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Your the Gal to ask.

    The above is all about looking for outpoints, let me correct " outpoints".

    Was their any look for plus points?
  8. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    Thanks Terril and Mark..........:modest: forgiveness is good and puts a smile on my face and in my heart.

    Goopy sounding, I know.....but to minimize the feeling is to minimize the experience of living in the absence of forgiveness.

  9. Ralph Hilton

    Ralph Hilton Patron Meritorious

    My impression was that the questionaires were started due to too many people getting uplines who were crazy.
    The questionaires were introduced for all FEBC trainees when I was ITO MAA.
    I remember one org sent someone for FEBC training who was the treas sec. He moonlighted as a male prostitute and charged men $15 for chaining them to a sink and pissing on them.
    I see that it was abused later but there was, in the beginning, a need to protect the organization from nutters.
    I encountered such things as sex with chickens and other farm animals and much worse.
    The questionaires were originally a solution to a heavy problem.
  10. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I'm not god. Actully my gods are wine women and song

    Worked for my PC.

    I meant it.
  11. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    I Just wanted to add one more thing to this post that I feel needs to be stated.

    While on that mission, we did not discuss the information collected with anyone outside our office. What happened there, stayed there. After the project was done, the information was never brought up again.

    At least by me. I cant speak for the other three missionaires on that.

    And while it may have been used to weed out crazies, and make sure that there was noone in the SO that had committed acts that could be blackmailed from outside anti Scientology meanies, the information was not merely required by new staff, but all staff.

    Invasion of privacy.
  12. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Its endemic in the states,

    The US Intel community wants to change the definition of "privacy".

    "WASHINGTON (AP) - A top intelligence official says it is time people in the United States changed their definition of privacy.

    Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguards people's private communications and financial information.

    Kerr's comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act."
  13. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    That is scary. But not shocking considering the direction our great nation has been going. Are they trying to do a retroactive 'cover ye ole ass' move or what?

    Ah ......we have already violated your rights of dont you think its a great idea to redefine it looks better in the history books????
  14. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Its a huge issue. Already the UK is a police state. Its only a matter of time for the US, unless there is a groundswell change of direction. LRH in an early PDC tried to position Scn as the tech that would defeat the oncoming police state.
    Interestingly, that quote has been deleted from the new "on-source" editions.

    See the section on this page re: PDC 20:

    "LRH original PDC tape 20 -
    Here is excerpt from older un-edited version of PDC,

    (copyright L.RON HUBBARD)

    "Therefore, we really do have the remedy before the assault weapon is produced. Did you ever read poor old George Orwell's 1984? Yes,yes, that's wonderful. That would be--------could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence."

    Altered version of PDC tape 20:

    "Therefore, we really do have the remedy before the assault weapon is produced."
    The rest of the segment as it appears above was SEAMLESSLY deleted."
  15. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    Yes...and sadly Div 6......the inside realm of Scientology and those in charge...
    (the SO) took on many of the vile characteristics that were laid out in Orwell's book.

    Perhaps that is why someone had the rear end sight...(cant call it foresight) to edit that quote.
  16. Colleen K. Peltomaa

    Colleen K. Peltomaa Silver Meritorious Patron

    I should have written in big letters N-O-Y-B!!!. Oh why, oh why didn't I lie? They said they lost my folders when I was routing out of the Sea Org, so I don't think my masturbatory history is going to appear in the National Enquirer :)
  17. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I hope they didn't lose my folders.

    My masturbatory history belongs in the Guinness Book of World Records.
  18. Colleen K. Peltomaa

    Colleen K. Peltomaa Silver Meritorious Patron

    Terril, were you an auditor?
  19. duddins

    duddins Patron Meritorious

    :hysterical: :buzzin:

    Lovin it! Now that's the spirit!
  20. Colleen K. Peltomaa

    Colleen K. Peltomaa Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yeah, he probably has a brail keyboard too.