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Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Miss Ellie, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. pineapple

    pineapple Silver Meritorious Patron

    I got my intro lecture on scn from John Rafanello (sp?) at the Mission of Honolulu in 1975. He wasn't on staff but gave a lecture each Friday night which was the big event of the week. Everybody who could, stopped what they were doing to come in and listen to him, regardless of case level. If I hadn't found his lectures so interesting I'd probably never have got into scn.

    John can be seen briefly at SH in the film "Scientology: A Faith For Sale." John may have told you he was at SH when Hubbs was there, but he had a tendency to exaggerate. I knew someone else who was there with him (also in the film) and she told me Hubbs was not there then (confirmed by the film's narration).

    I did not know him well at all (I was intimidated by OT's then), but he was a far-out dude, indeed. I think he was in the Freezone even before the Freezone existed.
  2. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    That film is a bit misleading, Pineapple . . .

    Dick Moor, on staff with me in London 1967 onward, is in that film talking about his Clear experience. Dick went Clear in 1966. Raffo, as I had nicknamed him, is there listening to a tape in the Chapel.

    To be noted is that just before the film shows Raffo, the film was showing folks arriving from the US into the Reg office in the new Castle, into which the course rooms were moved.

    What they appear to have done is edited the film out of sequence/context as Raffo happens to be the face showing as the dialogue mentions Hubbard had taken of "some 6 months ago."

    The film is a compilation of stuff from different times.

    Raffo mentioned to me he got there just before Hubbs took off.

    After doing the SHSBC (a long course as there was the 100's of tapes to do by then) Raffo went Clear in early around Feb/March 1968 . . . this according to the records in Auditor Mag.
  3. pineapple

    pineapple Silver Meritorious Patron

    Okay, could be. But I know later on John claimed to be in telepathic comm with LRH, and Elvis ... He apparently continued to buy Hubbs' "man's greatest friend" PR to the end, unfortunately. I was wondering if his affection for "Ron" might have led him to stretch the facts a little.

    Just speculation.
  4. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Ya . . . valid thinking.

    Raffo had his quirks and promotional agenda . . . he indeed went off into his own tech "insight's" and developments . . . all premised among the ex-Scn fraternity on Hubbard's earlier "truths" . . .

    I forget what Raffo's earlier education/training specifically was prior to Scn was, but from memory it was in one or other branches of Science, the physical sciences, like physics or such.

    Personally, my only criteria for judgement on these things is/was and has been . . . what can the dude actually produce and demonstrate.

    Raffo did fall short in that respect . . . love him as the character he is/was . . . Jonnie Boy, the way you ran your physical body and control of time was not, to me, a demonstration of competence.:oops:

    I could go on, on that theme, but enough.
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  5. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    Knowledge is power. Information is liberating. Education is the premise of progress, in every society, in every family..... Kofi Annan
    and I might add .... in every cult!
  6. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    “We do not need magic to change the world, we carry all the power we need inside ourselves already: we have the power to imagine better.” J.K. Rowling

    We were told we could not do "it" on our own... we needed the "tech". Bullshit! We can pick & choose what helps us to change ourselves and the world around us. We do not need their "magic" - we do not need them.

    Have a GREAT week - go change something, even if just a light bulb.
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  7. Karakorum

    Karakorum supressively reasonable

    "A fool sees not the same tree that a wise man sees."- William Blake
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  8. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    "My mission in life is not merely to survive, but to thrive; and to do so with some passion, some compassion, some humor, and some style." ... Maya Angelou
    What a mission.... I like this check list!
  9. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

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  10. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Well, I have to be honest, I don't like it. Whether it's because I have the original chords deeply embedded in my mind and that the chord sequence he has substituted is different from the original I'm not sure, but to me it sounds ugly and dissonant. You might say that's what 'modern jazz' is all about, but if one's finds it impossible to persevere to the end of the piece, it's not a very good advert I'm afraid. I haven't listened to much of Mr Coltrane's work in the past, and this doesn't inspire me to do so in future, sorry.

    Oh, by the way, I thought the original was crap too. :biggrin:
  11. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    Modern jazz (from the late forties Bebop era to the late sixties Cool era) is an acquired taste. I doubt I ever would have developed a love and appreciation of that genre of music if I hadn't been gently, gradually exposed to it as an adolescent teen.

    Here's a famous Cool jazz piece by Herbie Hancock that may be more to your liking:

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  12. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    No, sorry, it's too anarchic and structureless for my taste. I'm not a complete philistine though you'll be pleased to hear, I used to hang about with some jazzers when I was sixteen and first started smoking dope, and Mose Allison was all the rage then amongst my pals, and his I'll Never Be Free from the 'Local Color' album was one of my favourites.
  13. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Oh, Straty, these are easy listening particularly the Coltrane (for Coltrane). :)
  14. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    To each his own, I 'spose. Millions around the world love and appreciate jazz music, me included. I get that it sounds "anarchic and structureless" to you. That's a common perception of modern jazz to the uninitiated, but I assure you, that's not the case at all.

    There's much more freedom of expression possible within the genre (due to the liberal use of scales outside the dominant key), but there are still limits to how far one can go, while still considering it music.

    Just curious. What sort of music do you like?
  15. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    I'm listening to Mose Alison's I'll Never Be Free, and can see why you appreciate it. Mose masterfully employs both standard blues and bepop scales in that piece, with the blues scales remaining dominant, throughout.

    Listen to that album enough times, and your ear will naturally tune in to Bepop/Cool jazz structure.

    You're on your way, buddy! :)
  16. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    "Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax & wait for the answer." William S. Boroughs

    Well I do not relax much... but I try. I keep trying to relax enough to hear the winning lottery numbers BEFORE they are called!
  17. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    A quote by that famous philosopher Elvis Presley -

    Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away.

    As the truth dawns on those still drinking that brand of kool-aid let the sun shine right into their eyes & hearts.

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