I got my intro lecture on scn from John Rafanello (sp?) at the Mission of Honolulu in 1975. He wasn't on staff but gave a lecture each Friday night which was the big event of the week. Everybody who could, stopped what they were doing to come in and listen to him, regardless of case level. If I hadn't found his lectures so interesting I'd probably never have got into scn. John can be seen briefly at SH in the film "Scientology: A Faith For Sale." John may have told you he was at SH when Hubbs was there, but he had a tendency to exaggerate. I knew someone else who was there with him (also in the film) and she told me Hubbs was not there then (confirmed by the film's narration). I did not know him well at all (I was intimidated by OT's then), but he was a far-out dude, indeed. I think he was in the Freezone even before the Freezone existed.