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  1. Jesus666

    Jesus666 Patron

    Please answer if you can :)


    What are 'ethics'
    Does scientology have a prison camp?
    Does scientology have relations with the fbi / cia?(positive ones)
    What does scientology mean with 'clearing' the planet, and what will they do with anyone that doesn't become a scientologist?
     
  2. johnAnchovie

    johnAnchovie Still raging

    A partial answer

    This is an extract from a broader piece of writing I am doing about my life in the cult, it may give you some small insight.

    Others can answer the question on 'ethics' more eloquently than I could hope to, I can best assist you by sharing my experience, I do hope this helps you.

    I do not know anything about FBI or CIA connections, I understand that one of the Church of Spiritual Technology directors was formerly a high official with the IRS when Scn was getting its tax status 'sorted out'.

    I can tell you this for sure though, it happened not long before Cruise recorded that stupid interview.

    Alice, 19 years old and crippled

    I am in the rather privileged position of getting to spend some time with Prof. Steven Kent of the University of Alberta; he is an unusually decent fellow.
    We were discussing Gordon Melton’s 'expertise' - read whitewash - published circa 2001/2 - on an aspect of Scientology’s radical military wing, the Sea Organisation. They run their own prison or re-education’ camp, in theory it is not that different from the Cambodian Khmer Rouge system described graphically in David Putnam’s 1982 film The Killing Fields. The Scientology version is described as the RPF, Rehabilitation Project Force; one can be assigned to this at the whim of a certain cadre, Hubbard’s personal staff, or by an internal kangaroo court called a committee of evidence.

    I don’t know if you ever read this, but if you did, you will see that it reads like the RPF is a happy 'boy-scouts camping' adventure with a dose of Trappist meditative theory thrown in for good measure. I happened to be around when this whole scam was being put together; I know all the RPFer's interviewed, I know them very well and I know the conditions they lived under. Well, the two weeks or so running up to Melton's 'free access' interview with the RPF, they were all treated like kings, fed, briefed, drilled, given little or no work details, loads of kip, the whole shebang. Gordon certainly got a very good impression of the set up, unfortunately his critical thinking faculties had been somewhat subverted, possibly by the various enticements on offer by a few people in the Office of Special Affairs - Scientology’s equivalent of the old KGB - and the L. Ron Hubbard Personal Public Relations office.

    I have been talking a lot about my 20 year Sea Organisation experiences with Steve. Memories were stirred up of course, one in particular came to mind, the horrific account of a girl I knew quite well. Three years in the Sea Organisation, brought up in the cult from childhood, a very intelligent young woman, highly conversant with Hubbard’s counselling techniques, and working as a public relations officer for a front line operation. She had, like any healthy young woman or man would, slept with a person she was deeply attracted to, but of course in the sexually repressive cult, this carries a rather severe penalty.

    Just twelve months or so after the Melton whitewash, Alice was assigned to the RPF. Her fiancé was sent to the RPF in another continent. Alice had some trouble with this, she decided to leave – One is not allowed to simply leave Scientology, one must ‘route out’ a process of extensive and intrusive vetting, ‘confessions’ – read interrogation – and signing of a number of non disclosure bonds.

    Alice was assigned to an even harsher regime called the RPF's RPF, this being an even grimmer version of the program she was already on. Six months on, and subjected to a course of daily intensive interrogations, she was still there, she saw little hope of an end to the process and so decided to kill herself.

    One afternoon I had just arrived back at Walsh Manor; I saw an ambulance, people in a tizz and running around. Alice had walked out of the RPF course room, gone to the workshop, found a tin of paint thinner, swallowed it and climbed up on top of the gym roof, a fifteen foot high structure surrounded by concrete. She jumped.

    Alice lived, she is crippled for life, her lower intestine is ruined and she had to have colostomy. She was a very attractive energetic nineteen year old at the time. OSA instructed all concerned to say that she had fallen down the steps; so that there would be no health and safety enquiry, I don't know how they explained the paint thinner to the medics.
    It all ended well, Alice was sent home, an invalid for life - but then, she is a DB is she not? - to be cared for by her mom, an OT V upstat Italian Scientologist and she is certainly not saying anything to sully the lily white image of the Sea Org.

    There was no follow up by the authorities and Gordon Melton's rosy description of the RPF is still used internationally to show just what a wonderful organisation the Church of Scientology is.
     
  3. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    In Scio it is a method to control behavior - into creating people to think as they do!

    They have several - they are known as Rehabilitation Project Forces - it is there that extreme indoctrination takes place.

    There is a place called SP Hall in Hemet - that the people DM wants to keep quiet - are held!

    Maybe rogue FBI agents - but the majority are pretty level headed.

    Not sure about CIA.

    They will become second class citizens or worse!

    Alan
     
  4. lionheart

    lionheart Gold Meritorious Patron

    Ethics is the system the CofS uses to attain optimum survival or existence across all aspects of life.

    In practice it is used to enforce compliance in its members in order to "clear the planet" Because in the opinion of the CofS clearing the planet would bring optimum existence across all aspects of life.

    Prison camps -others have more up-to-date than I have.

    I have no data on FBI/CIA links.

    Clearing the planet in effect would be a scientological planet. Clearing is the process of removing or erasing all abberative behaviour and influences. Therefore Clearing the Planet would be removal of abberative behaviour from the citizens of the planet. This would be achieved by all humans becoming scientologists.

    If someone doesn't want to become a scientologist when they are given the infromation about scientology, they are labelled as Potential Trouble Sources and effectively ostracised or prevented from doing any Scientology services until they "handle their situation." In this case that would be an act of contrition and a desire to now do Scientology.

    If anyone tries to impede Scientology they are labelled Suppressive Persons and prevented from ever doing Scientology. Scientologists are not allowed to communicate with SPs unless they themselves handle the SP so that they are no longer acting suppressively.
     
  5. DartSmohen

    DartSmohen Silver Meritorious Patron

    The statement " Clearing the planet" is incomplete.

    The full mission statement reads " Clearing the planet of it's cash".
     
  6. Jesus666

    Jesus666 Patron

    Thanks for answering, how come your goverment has not shut down this cult if they didnt have any relationships with the fbi? surely the united states does not allow prison camps like the nazis?
     
  7. Alanzo

    Alanzo Screeching Harpy

    Good frikking question.

    You would think, huh?
     
  8. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    Its a matter of priorities - too many people have been too scared to speak up - also it takes a long time to realize it was not your fault that things did not go right.

    There is a lot of embarrassment to go through - the idea you were conned and so easily! - that you wasted so much of your life trying to make Scio work! :grouch:
     
  9. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    LBV has, IIRC, posted the exact mission statement that DM/Int Mmt is operating off. I believe it's a little more ambitious than the mere clearing of a planet. :)
     
  10. Jesus666

    Jesus666 Patron

    LBV/IIRC? internet relay chat?:D
    DM/Int deathmatch, intelligence?
     
  11. Alanzo

    Alanzo Screeching Harpy

    You'll have to excuse Tansy - he's English and got excited.

    LBV = Little Bear Victor, a poster here and at OCMB who worked at International headquarters

    IIRC = If I recall correctly

    DM = David Miscavidge

    Int = as above, International Headquarters
     
  12. Jesus666

    Jesus666 Patron

    ah i see, i'm not familiar with all the shorcuts

    i just know sp and ksw etc.
     
  13. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Re: FBI\CIA

    There was a connection in the 70's. SEveral Scientology "OT's" (Pat Price, Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann) did Remote Viewing tests at Stanford Research Institute in California. Ingo gives a full time line on his site: http://biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/2.html of his involvement.

    There are many other references to this available via google.

    It has become part of the "lore" of some true believers that the CoS was taken over by the Govt to suppress the making of "real OT's". Others will tell you there never were any...

    Be that as it may, it is grist for the mill.
     
  14. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill


    1) ethics is a system of codes, just as it sounds. In the Church of Scn (aka "CofS") one gets sent to an ethics officer if one is not doing what they think one is supposed to do. It gets used as punishment and enforcement.

    2) Scientology doesn't have anything...it's a subject in books and tapes. Not all Scientologists are in the cult of CofS.

    However, CofS has punishment camps called RPF- Rehabilitation Project Force.


    3) Clearing the planet means Scn would be spread so that the majority of the population would be "clear" of aberrations, via Scn. It does not mean everyone.

    The remainder of the people would be relentlessly proselytized to. Like every 6 nanoseconds.
     
  15. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    There was me thinking I'd purged myself of all cult influences. :melodramatic:
    Evidently, the last one to go is AF - Acronym Frenzy! :D
     
  16. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I hate to burst anyones bubble, but there are no Nazi slave camps in Scientology. Its not that simple.

    The RPF is a volunatry program. Each person on it went in willlingly. You will not find people IN THE CHURCH coming forward and backing anything you hear on the outside. They PROTECT IT, no matter how much abuse they go through. It is all part and parcel with their dedication.

    And the moment that they wake up, they get out. But they keep their mind change secret until out of the grips of the church.

    Man, its complicated.

    I pretended until I was out. Just go with the flow until out of their grips. Then speak ones mind. There is NO WAY, while in, to do that. And they dont feel compelled to do so, until they have the chance to wake up.

    But they are SO GUARDED from seeing anything but what the church wants them to see.

    Its messed up.

    I am not trying to make it complicated. I am just saying, its gonna be alot of work to get in the cracks and get a good hold on anything. I myself dont know how to do it. But a great idea: I would stand behind.

    Getting rid of IRS status is a great in, from what I can tell. The child labor may not work...

    Get my drift?