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Reports of Friday Night Hoopla at Flag, 11-15-2013

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by TG1, Nov 16, 2013.

  1. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    At this point, she has no hope of any life outside staff. She has no real-world skills. She cannot even communicate in standard English any more. She would be like a long-term prison inmate tossed back into society after 20 years "on the inside".

    The only way a "long-in" staff member could make it, would be if some Scn took them in (which would not happen if they left in "bad standing"), or some ex-Scn took them (and how would they contact such a sympathetic soul?).

    A while back, I was reading Jeff Hawkins "Counterfeit Dreams" chapter on the difficulties he had integrating himself back into "the world". These guys have been inside longer.

    Back when I left the SO, I had only been in the SO for a year and a half or so. I left when I decided that I was reaching the "point of no return", and would have to either leave, or face being unable to resume my professional career "outside". I was fortunate in that I was able to reconnect with the guy I worked for before Scn, who knew about my having gone into the SO, and was cool about it, treating it like I had gone into a hippie commune for a while. He gave me a job and I stayed with him for a while, before going to work for another old friend who knew about my Scn involvement and was likewise cool.
  2. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Being born and raised IN THE SEA ORG, I can tell you from experience it was tough when I first got out. I had to make a lot of adjustments. I did not really have any parenting and was not taught how to do anything. I did not know about the internet, how to get a cell phone, what a credit history was, how to drive a car, how to open a bank account, how to apply for a job, what to say in a job interview, how to explain my past job history in some way that makes sense in a resume.... I had to learn the weather and traffic reports were necessary to get to and from work. I had to learn that I would have time off and figure out what I would like to do having free time. It was very, very strange for me. And I am sure also strange for others who crossed my path back then.

    32 years in, kicked out with all my family connections cut off. Sent by Scn to live with a very crazy couple that I had to call the police on several times. I finally got out of there with my health safely.

    I had to learn very young, and very quickly that there was no-one inside Scn or in my family, that I could ever fall back on. It sucks, but that is the fact of life. I still feel that way. It's ingrained in me.
  3. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime


    Did any one else have the wognition I just had?

    DM is following Source* by holding the major events under the Big Top.

    * Source here is P.T.Barnum, the guy Hu666ard got a lot of his 'original ideas' from.
  4. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor


    This came up yesterday and today on ESMB.
    Today it came up on this thread. I had not clicked any links to
    any other sites.

    AVAST (security program)

  5. clamicide

    clamicide Gold Meritorious Patron


    omg.... ESMB always brings up blocked Trojan Horses and other evil stuff. It's better when I use Opera. Once I get my desktop back and running, I'm guessing I'll probably throw this machine into Ubuntu mode (especially since Steam now loves them). Just not willing to do so until I know I have another mode of access if things get a bit wonky.
  6. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    And Avast also blocked and reported similar on the link in the page of postings with 0-48 in it.
  7. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon


    Maybe you can tell me ( if I can even make sense ).
    I had my computer cleaned this week.
    I also have a Toshiba Back -Up thingie. If I re-install it, will it be carrying the malware that was cleaned off my computer? or do I have to clean the back-up?

  8. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    I've removed the images that were alerting. Sometimes, inline linked and displayed images (also known as hot-linked) can come from sites that have been hacked or host malware. This will set off malware alerts because of the domains they are coming from - this doesn't mean the images themselves contain malware, although it's theoretically possible. Below, I'll try to explain the theory, after I cover the quoted posts.

    I use for checking whether websites contain (or may contain) malware, are hacked, etc. The images posted were from 2 sites, and The results from sucuri show that McAffee is blacklisting the domains for possible malware, however McAffee shows the blacklisting status as "malware not identified". In addition, the following checks show the domains to be clean:
    Google Safe Browsing
    Norton Safe Web
    Phish tank
    Opera browser
    Sucuri Malware Labs blacklist
    Yandex (via Sophos)

    It is possible that McAffee and Avast (mentioned by Panda and degraded being) are registering false positives, but it is also possible that the other checkers are registering false negatives, or have not picked the domains up for their lists yet.

    If you're a "belt and suspenders" type of person, will also check multiple scanners for their assessments of a URL (website link).

    At any rate, I've removed the images, while leaving the link to them (along with a warning), in case you want to see them for yourself.

    Personally speaking, I would say "at your own risk" could pertain to browsing the ideas on the site, as much or more than any malware warnings. Malware is easier to remove than mal-ideas, as many of you know. :coolwink:

    Because the images are being pulled from another site, it is not ESMB that is causing the alert, but the sites that host the images. You don't have to click a link to receive content from another site; sites can include content from many other sites without visible links, as is happening with the images in this thread.

    There is a post I made that may help to illuminate this, in this thread here:

    ESMB (the site itself) does not contain blocked evil stuff - it's the hot-linked images people include in their posts. Some forums forbid hot-linked images for several reasons (in no certain order):
    a. The malware alerts that tend to come up from questionable outside sites
    b. Lack of control over the image (the hosting site can replace the image with anything they want, and if the filename is the same, whatever they replace it with will show instead - this could mean replacing an image of David Miscavige with goatse or zippo kitty, or other disgusting images; or if the owner of the site decides to take the image down or remove the site entirely, you are left with no image to show)
    c. It is bandwidth theft - using someone else's resources that they pay for, without authorization
    d. Potential copyright issues

    ESMB allows people to upload images and display them from ESMB's server. We have plenty of free disk space for the foreseeable future. If you want to upload images, and avoid all of the above repercussions of hot-linked images (except d, copyright issues), please do. It also means you can go to your image collection on ESMB and use the image on ESMB whenever you want, without having to hunt for the link elsewhere.

    The backup will contain anything that was on your computer at the time it was backed up, as long as the backup was told to include it. Some backups only include your data (documents, pictures, etc.), while some are copies of the entire system (operating system, programs, settings, your data, etc.). I do not know what the Toshiba Back-Up Thingy does specifically, but if the backup is of the entire system and you restore the backup, it will be as if you never had the cleaning. If it is only of your data, you are probably safe. The best thing to do, though, would be to do another backup of the entire computer in a known clean state, and do a separate backup (or copy) of your own data. I regularly copy data I've produced off to another drive to make sure I have my own data backed up. The software can be reinstalled from scratch, whereas you cannot get your data back unless you have kept a copy somewhere.

    Image malware theory
    Several years ago, there were rumors that images could contain malware. The alerts were posted many places on the internet, but they may not all have been entirely accurate. From what I can gather, and anyone with contrary information is welcome to correct me with references, the problem was not with the images themselves, as much as with the programs that interpret (render - display or allow editing of) the images. Some of the programs failed to properly exclude erroneous instructions, and images could include hidden data (see steganography if you want more information). The data could be in the form of instructions to the programs, and when the program tried to render the image, the hidden instructions would be executed by the program, instead of them being filtered out or producing an error. Most, if not all, of the software that renders images today has been written to exclude such erroneous code (or updated, in the case of older software).

    The key to avoiding this type of thing happening is to make sure your software is up to date, or if you're using older software that is no longer supported with security updates, get some new stuff. If you're using a computer, you have the responsibility to keep yourself, as well as others, safe and protected by using updated and secure software. Even if this means a whole new computer, it is still your responsibility. Similar to driving a car with brake problems, when you can't find parts to replace the brakes, so you have to replace the car.

    So the Freezone's Super Powers Thingy is called OT12 and OT13; do they have a building full of carnival rides too? or do the freezoners just spread their arms out and run around in circles pretending to be an airplane?
  10. CO2

    CO2 Patron Meritorious

    How is this done?

    there seems to be a very narrow limit to the photos that we can store in the avatar / profile / photo album area.
  11. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

  12. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor


    They have this:


    And this

    But it not Al Ar Aytch. It is sqirol tekk so it make the peesee go claysee.
  13. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    I haven't used the photo album space myself so I haven't really looked into it, but I'm referring to the attachment space. When you make a post, below the editing window there is a button that says "Manage attachments". It will let you upload several types of files (bmp doc gif jpe jpeg jpg pdf png psd txt zip), and they will go into your attachment space. It can also retrieve images from a website, however please keep other people's copyrights in mind if you use this. You can then click the button that says, "Insert inline" to show it in the posting area. The only limitation is that anything uploaded must be attached to a post within an hour, or it will be deleted. After that, it remains in your attachment space and can be used in future posts at any time by selecting it and dragging it into the area below, where it says, "2. Drag previously uploaded files into this area to attach them." There are some size limits for each kind of file that I probably should review to make sure they're reasonable (for instance, bmp is set to 620x280 pixels; that's pretty short and wide, and would severely limit visibility of a bmp image in portrait orientation). Meanwhile, gif, jpg, and png (the most commonly used image types) are set to 1000x1000 pixels, which is reasonable for either portrait or landscape.

    One additional reason not to hot-link is in regard to privacy. When an image is pulled from another site, the IP addresses of anyone who viewed the image are left on the originating server, along with the referring site, which would be ESMB.

    You're quite welcome, phenomanon, no problem.
  14. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I've never been able to figure out how to upload images directly; I always use a Photobucket account.

    Works great.

    BTW, Ethercat, you are awesome.
  15. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    First completions on Superpower!!

    First completions on Superpower!!


  16. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    I agree, and my view is that hot-linking images from photobucket, flickr, and all the other sites that offer up free image hosting space is fine. Most of them set unique filenames for all uploads so the images can't be swapped out for other images with the same name. And most of them will give you the bbcode for posting them to a forum, so all you have to do is paste what they give you into the post.

    Aw, shucks... :modest: Thanks.

    Ah, degraded being, those are pretty disgusting - are you sure you want to leave them there? :naughty:
  17. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

  18. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

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    Terril park Sponsor

  20. john reguerra

    john reguerra Patron with Honors

    Really Interesting. I spent about 1 hour reading all these pages about Friday night's hoopla down at Flag. I was really sad. Almost I cried. Why? I never saw so many intelligent and able "ex-Scientologist and not so many ex. " missing the boat. Now it is fully standardized. The vitamins, re-fill and all that you need to deliver Scientology will be issued by him. Scientology now is utterly, the interpretation of DM understanding. The two way comm from auditors, registrars, Div 6 staff are gone. But he has done it in a clever, really, clever way. He did give you a better study Tech. But he did not give you the Tech to handle Life. He did say he has done his job KSW point 1 done. Now you have to do the rest. How do you handle the non ex- Scientologist? Easy when you are ex. Any suggestions?