Power Change
Patron Meritorious
Are you two attracted to each other?
I am an SP. Fluffy cannot have me.
Are you two attracted to each other?
Yep, that's the way it goes.
I am an SP. Fluffy cannot have me.
Oh, you still believe that garbage and think of critical ex members as SPs? I sure don't.
Well...Fluffy and I and many others live on what is commonly called the "Left Coast". Regarding the use of ones "Left Hand" well, I think that is a personal issue commonly known as "dressage" and I don't have any interest in hearing about it.
Overall though, I am very happy to see a die hard Hubbard fan like Fluffy (and she and I have gone a few rounds over the years) actually looking and willing to discuss things realistically. There is always hope!
Thank you for believing in me, but I like being an SP. So, I stand by the label.
Being an SP means I am a 'sane person' for fleeing the cult and all it's mindset.
It should be noted that I did not post on the thread that boldly featured my name (In defense of Fluffy) yet FreetoShine did so quite promptly.
So it's obviously a self fulfilling prophecy and depends on what one is trying to discuss- the contributor or the subject matter of the forum.
And that's got what to do with what? :confused2:
I just liked PC's analysis of how threads can be mired down in a barrage of posts about how you are being attacked, other critics blah blah when really they start with you casually defending some piece of tech and being called on it.
That's all I'm going to say.
Thank you for leaving the personalizations out of your posts and asking me about Scientology.
It is really refreshing to talk to someone about issues, like, say, the RPF, or what does one think of Xenu or why did Hubbard lie about his war record or why do they do that drill where ashtrays are yelled at.
Oh wait...it didn't happen. Well, I remain hopeful.
If you're up for discussing Scn or Dn or Hubbard or the Freezone or CofS, then so'm I.
I was unaware that Caroline was or is a contributor to ESMB or that I was involved in any exchanges of posts with her in any way, shape or form.
Opposites attract...hate is the just love that has missed its way.
I was unaware that Caroline was or is a contributor to ESMB or that I was involved in any exchanges of posts with her in any way, shape or form.
HE'S REFERRING TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT CAROLINE LETKEMAN'S WRITINGS.
This is a left-hand path concept. It is one of Hubbard's magical misconceptions about the dualistic nature of the universe. This is why left-hand path magicians usually collapse into their own false conflicts, because they are stuck on one side of the illusion.
If you examine your statement above, you would also have to draw the conclusion that "love is just hate that has missed its way" Both dichotmous statements are nonsense!"
Hubbrd's life, from his magical experiments onwards, was one of left-hand path enforcement of will, ego, desire, victory. So, of course, he failed and died alone and insane. He failed because his left-hand path stuck him on one side of the dualistic illusion.
Any scientologist who fixates on "being at cause", "making it go right", enforcing his will, etc is doomed to a similar failure.
That's the point about the left-hand path. It has nothing really to do with the popular view of "black magic". That's not exactly the point, except that it is called "black" magic for a reason to do with this false left-hand path concept of dualism. No the point is that left-hand practices, like scientology, are doomed to failure because they tend to stick the practitioner into one false "side" of the false dichotomy.
So a scientologist is doomed to become a failed intention-projector, a failed "OT". Because Hubbard's implanted left-hand path goal of "OT" is an unattainable, false one.
Just look at the fate of most scientologists and you will see it.
So it is ok to insult her motives and rationality because she is not on ESMB? :confused2: Sorry Fluff, but like a moth to a flame, you've got yourself stuck on one side of Hubbard's dichotomy and so have to "oppose" his "opposers.
Good post asagai.
I was unaware that Caroline was or is a contributor to ESMB or that I was involved in any exchanges of posts with her in any way, shape or form.
Yes, Challenge, that was a point made via sarcasm. It was quite coherent and I've explained it in detail since.
The rules of conduct pertain to discussions between people on the forum, just as all rules of conduct on all forums do.
Do you have a problem with the personalized and negative commentary made about DM and LRH? Because I'm telling you right now, I sure don't. They don't break the rules of conduct and they don't because those comments made about DM and Hubbard (Well, he's dead anyway but you get my point) aren't being made in response to posts on ESMB by DM or by Hubbard.
Should DM ever be craaazy 'nuff to come here and post (wouldn't that be an absolute riot if he did?) other contributors would be expected to either converse with him politely or not at all. But as a public figure under discussion- nuh uh.
And I'm not sure what this touching walls stuff is all about. It's neither here nor there.
L Ron Hubbard was the Founder of Dn and COS amongst all the other claims to fame about him. He was decidedly a 'public figure'. David Miscavige is the Chairman of the Board of the COS and is a 'public figure'. Caroline Letkeman is a private lady who lives in Chilliwack, B.C., has a website and is highly critical of COS. If you can't differentiate between those who are 'public' and those who are 'private', then continue insulting others. As you say, rules of conduct are for people posting on the forum. If they aren't on this forum, then they are "fair game". That sure as hell isn't anything new for Caroline Letkeman. She's been fair gamed for years.
CHLNG