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Scientology explained

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Leon-2, Jan 1, 2015.

  1. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Just amazing .....the swollen head, wanna be, know it all and hubris that was the core of El Con.

    It is very telling to me that:

    It comes out here on ESMB....that someone else came up with the dreck of BBC.....and or "wrong indication"......"phenomenon."

    The stupidity,,,,that someone evaluating for you....or telling you what to think or do.....could be a " wrong indication " and cause BBC (by passed charge) hilarious.

    Of course it can and does.....stupid El is a common occurrence.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2015
  2. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    I agree with this. One-way confessing is brainwashing deluxe.
  3. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    reminds me of Hubbard saying

    one's reactive mind is telling me i should not go into debt buying this auditing action (non survival to not buy auditing or training), because my reactive mind is telling me not to buy the auditing.

    But yet, Hubbard says auditing is priceless.

    Thus, I need to be hard sold, and I knew what hard sold meant. LOL

    What a trip. :laugh:
  4. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    I'm a bit puzzled here, Leland.

    Just about all of Scientology's basics are "common occurrences". BPC, withholds, upsets, high tone / low tone, upsets, problems, restimulation, cycles of action, etc etc.

    It is all based on commonly observed phenomena. And so it should be.

    Why is this "stupid"?
  5. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    One too many beers with an old friend around a fire tends to combine all the 'gains' of confession with something that doesn't exist in $cientology... love. Hubbard was charging us $$ to be human. May he rot in hell.
  6. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    !Re: Scientology explained

    You just don't get my post.....Leon-2

    Yes, it is a common phenomenon.....yet LRH did not see it. That is the point of my post!

    Someone else came up with the idea...

    And then that person is wiped out from being a part of the "history" of the Cult....

    In addition...the Cult, as it ages, perpetuates the myth that Hubbard "did it all" when in fact, he did not. It hides its past. It alters its past. It negates its past. And so on.

    Anyone researching or just talking about just this one item....would be called and SP....and kicked out of the Cult.

    That is a major part of WHY it is a cult allows no historical research....or documenting its real history.

    Edited: I was in long enough recall David Mayo...being the lead actor in a "tech film." It was a tech film on Emeter reads....yet today....more than 40 years later....DM is still altering the definitions of Emeter reads......

    Those "new" to the cult....probably never heard of David Mayo.....The Cult has wiped his name...and work in the cult, completely from its history.
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2015
  7. Dave B.

    Dave B. Maximus Ultimus Mostimus

    Re: !Re: Scientology explained

    Airstrip One has ALWAYS been at war with Oceana!
  8. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    The Cult of Scientology is kinda like one of those Dictatorships in South Argentina...and its history, of lack there of.....of the they are called..

    All those killed by the right wing death squads...

    The Cult of Scientology...."disappears" those it doesn't want around....(or tried to)

    They get wiped from any existence in the cult....

    Their names are never mentioned..

    Anything that they wrote...or had their name "removed" from the current line up...of study.

    Since Mayo had a hand in developing NOTS...should not the Cult, stop delivering that action?
  9. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    I considered myself "not so able"; being very neurotic and dysfunctional and such.

    But I considered myself not so poor, either, as I was able to keep paying them. So I didn't have to wait for the distant future.

    I'm in a much better condition now than before.

  10. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: !Re: Scientology explained

    Airstrip One is part of Oceania.

  11. eldritch cuckoo

    eldritch cuckoo brainslugged reptilian

    It is also very typical for the outlook one gets on some drugs, especially cocaine. I haven't tried that one, so I can't comment with my own words on how it really is or which feelings and thoughts come up, but there's certainly a common denominator in the reviews. It is very clear how its effects are especially "compatible" with the needs of people in the show biz, show moderators as well as actors and directors - they really get better at what they're doing and/or can concentrate on it longer per day, ofcourse only until they begin to take too much and/or begin to suffer of the physiological and psychological side effects. I think that it's fair to assume that Freud's emphasis on the merits of this very "process" - that talking about something really is important and meaningful in itself and that this is to some degree equal with solving a problem - was to some degree, probably a large one, based on his free use of cocaine. The merits of "talk therapy" (whether conducted with a friend, a professional counselor, or an (empathic and nice) Scientology auditor) are real, ofcourse, but not to the degree as Freud believed - or some cocaine users who are babbling away in the washroom of a club. - Hubbard has used this drug as well, what I don't know is how often and during which periods, e.g., if he wasn't using the stuff all the time, it probably would be interesting to know the development of which parts of the "tech" most likely have been influenced by cocaine/crack. Snort! :p
  12. Leon-2

    Leon-2 Patron Meritorious

    Yes. Other orgnizations have Roll of Honour listing all those who were the founders and builders of the organization. Church of Scientology has a List of Declared SPs.
  13. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    I think CofS is more like N. Korea (read about it) and LRH is like Kim Jong Un.
  14. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    It must have been hard for the shepherds back then and the sheepdogs. Imagine herding stock in 3d?

    Now our shepherds only have to worry about their 2d problems. Oh wait, that didn't come out right.

    Also, if there's no gravity, they wouldn't be able to bake, and that means - no cheesecake.
  15. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    Exactly, if you are going to grab a few cans with your buddy, do it right.
  16. Balthasar

    Balthasar Patron Meritorious

    I don't think anybody on this thread was suggesting such (highlighted). Otherwise your post is correct.
  17. Leland

    Leland Crusader


    I imagine the "re-education camps" in Cambodia and Vietnam were much like cult course rooms on steroids...Chinese school and all....

    I imagine N. Korea's are worse...
  18. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I don't know the reason prompting that. Plenty of possible ones
    starting with organising a class action suit against CO$ or working at
    Mayo's AAC.

    Seems to me that getting declared SP by Scientology Ethics is probably not something you want on your resume when you are promoting/selling yourself as an Ethics Officer. [/QUOTE]

    Would you trust anyone who wasn't?:coolwink:
  19. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Mary will teach her first dynamic ethics tech to anyone
    she delivers it too, as long as they have some auditor training.
    I think thats a good approach because nothing has been so abused
    in Scn as the subject of ethics. Note can be done by phone or skype.

    Its more akin to auditing than any run of the mill ethics actions.

    Here is a write up by Gomerhan [ regular here] lower down
    who gives a good description.

    Mary gives a 2 part talk about her method. Here is the first part
    and you should be able to find the second part.

    "I completed the lower conditions (well, up through Enemy), finally, on Mary Smith's Ethics/Integrity Program. Very powerful action, which I found non-evaluative, practical, and tremendously revitalizing. In the past, the lower conditions through Enemy had been rather baffling, almost impenetrably dense. Find out who you really are? Isn't that the subject of OT VIII? Etc.

    Part of her successful action is stressing the importance of truely confronting the condition, prior to doing something about it. Of course this is very basic, but it can include inventorying the components of the condition, and running anything from a locational to reach and withdraw to a variety of other procedures along the way.

    I would say that by doing it as she has laid it out, the statements summing up the actions of the formula end up being done, and then those statements (find out that you are, etc.) act as affirmations, rather than as dense commands, possibly even incomplete lists. Rather than feeling like I'd been brought to heel, or any sort of low-tone experience, I felt empowered, invigorated, reconnected to "source", and surprised at the joy I was experiencing.

    I recommend it highly, particularly to those who haven't had success with the lower conditions in the past, or those who felt like their completion of those conditions was "glib", or to anyone who is experiencing confusion, betrayal, opposition (from self or others) or doubt. Even the upper conditions are expanded, in terms of the tools given to accomplish their successful resolution. Some of the best money I've ever spent, truly "case-cracking", for me."
  20. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    I got a couple disagrees on my post abt psychiatric treatment. Well, I did say that I think meds and other methods do help.

    My family and I lived cheek by jowl with ECT. I know what I saw.