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Scientology's TOP 100 biggest lies

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by HelluvaHoax!, Dec 12, 2009.

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  1. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Ron's wholetrack discoveries concerning the PILTDOWN MAN which he detailed in History of Man, a coldblooded and factual account of our last 60 trillion years would have to qualify for this thread!:faceslap:

    Mike Rinder posted about this earlier today:
  2. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    L. Ron Hubbard's poetic liscence was in good order and he was entirely fit to produce not...


    Which obscure and destroy Truth but...


    Which to the enlightenable soul REVEAL Truth

    It is a Classic Hegelian Dialectic; Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis

    THESIS: Scientology is truth to enlighten enable and liberate the soul

    ANTITHESIS: Scientology is lies to deceive entangle and enslave the soul

    SYNTHESIS: Scientology is fiction to reveal truth which may, perhaps enlighten, enable and liberate the soul

    And you who scream "Lies! Lies! Lies!" are stuck in the Antithesis having been, as was I, painfully disabused of the Thesis

    I will here again present an analogy, a sort of parable if you will...

    Consider a color photograph and the negative from which it is produced.

    A good color photograph presents a lovely record of material reality


    While the negative has the same lines and forms...

    It's coloration is entirely bizarre

    And you who are stuck in Antithesis see lies when you look outward fr being bound to your own lies within; your own personal to love, seek and accept Truth..

    And the absolute key to the transformation from Antithesis to Synthesis is recognize the one single primary fiction Hubbard presents; the very peak of the towering ziggurrat of the mind he engineered. It is on the "OTVIII" course on the auditing side of the grade chart and the CLVIII course on the training side of the grade chart where the fiction that Y'sua Ha Mosach of Nazareth born in Bethlehem at the end of the reign of Herod the First is not The Anointed One; The Christ

    He has given us a new Commandment. It is in two parts. The second part is very much like the first part:

    Love God with all your heart and soul, love your neighbor as you love yourself

    Put your hand in the hand of the Man who stilled the water
    Put your hand in the hand of the Man who calmed the sea
    Take look at yourself and you can look at others differently
    By putting your hand in the hand of the Man from Galilee

    Giving him the hand is Christian CCH One

    The big Christian CCH is Follow His hand and contribute to it's motion
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  3. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    OK, seriously, that is the most amazing, bizarre, creative and completely insane explanation for Hubbard's "tech" ever! Well done! I think we've reached the ultimate core delusion. If you can believe this, you will never exit Scientology's fairyland.
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  4. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Don't worry about losing lower alimentary sphincter control Bill...

    Often happens when someone runs across a proselyte's well tossed shot put
  5. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Completely Insane!

    Thank you Bill; that's the best review anything I've written has ever received...
  6. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    His Piltdown Man personality is in restim, he just needs to do a hundred hours of objectives. :D
  7. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well yeah, Pitsy...

    The Bruins plotzed in the second round

  8. exbritscino

    exbritscino Patron with Honors

    CP. I've refrained from commenting on your posts until now....................

    Are you on some form of mind altering drug? You sound just as bat shit nuts as Hubbard did!!!

    In reply to the quote:

    Scientology is a pile of crap designed to enlighten one's bank account, and liberate as much £/$ from people as it possibly can.

  9. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    PERIOD!!!! ?

    Have you tried Tampax and Midol?


    By his own admission CoS was designed by Ron to be a shop for the shearing of sheep

    You might never grant any virtue or value to Hubbard's work and welcome both to your judgement and it's expression

    But I will never ever dishonor myself by denying a large and deeply felt gratitude to L Ron Hubbard for engineering the tools I used to bring vast relief and profound spiritual epiphany to my lifelong best friend Billy Martin as his wife, son, sister and I gave him 24/7 TLC in the last few weeks of his life

    I hope you will show me enough respect to examine a brief account of the happening on page six of "The Verdict" thread.

    Thank you.

    P.S. Jay-ziss! I'd like to be on a mind altering drug rather than be suffering the mind altering effects of advancing years and seriously declining health
  10. exbritscino

    exbritscino Patron with Honors


    Yes, you have my respect with regard to Billy Martin. (I did read your post). I've also said a few times in various posts that I have no problem with anyone who wishes to be in scientology. It's their choice.

    However, the ABUSES of scientology must stop. This includes the financial fleecing of people, ruining kids lives, disconnection of families, using Sea Org slave labour to effectively line Miscavige's pockets etc.......

    Really the whole thing should have a government health warning on it.

    My personal verdict on the benefits of scientology is that some basic courses will be of benefit to some people, and others will be of benefit to other people. But the benefits, in my opinion, in comparison with the whole entity, are very small.

    When it comes to stuff like the OT levels I think that they will be of benefit to anyone who "believes", rather like most religions work with their believers. And if you don't believe, then it won't work!!

    Take care.

    PS. Mind altering drugs may not stave off advancing years and declining health, but you may not notice that you have either of these things afterwards! lol
  11. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you for checking out the story...

    It was a wondrous thing, one of the most intense moments of my life and to my surprise intensely pleasurable

    I had one single moment off alone when I spent about twenty minutes crying my heart out but mostly intense pleasure; every single moment with my friend alive was so immeasurably pleasant


    to have been able to just spontaneously jump from Boston unbidden to arrive in Seattle just when he was diagnosed

    this is...

    in Catholic terms, "charismatic", in hippie terms "psychedlic", in secular terms "psychic" and in scieno terms "OT"

    and what I was able to do by reason of love, personal christian faith, the fact that I had damn good material to work with; Billy was one tough buzzard who had lived RIGHT and deserved such pleasant fate...


    I could not have come close to performing as well as I did w/o auditor training

    End abuses?

    When the surface of the earth resembles the surface of the moon we will have an end to abuses and not before

    Effective address of abuses...

    Can ONLY be done with a deep intelligent respect and understanding of the truly profound virtues of Hubbard's work

    p.s. Don't worry, I got a doobie in my pocket
  12. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I submit numbers 2 and 9 are not lies and several others are exagerations of truth
  13. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Well, thanks! You inadvertently summed up the exact problem you have--far better than I ever could have. . .

    Yes, exactly!

    That's precisely what you did and how you ended up a deluded cult victim.

    You submitted.

    It's quite similar to another fanatically deluded salvation cult, Islam---which literally means "submission" or "surrender".

    Having submitted to Hubbard's encyclopedic volumes of lies, you unfortunately surrendered your common sense.
  14. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    #2: You can become an Operating thetan. Not a lie? In a sense, you are right. If one actually clears the definition of "Operating Thetan" to full conceptual understanding.

    Understand this---L. Ron Hubbard's lexicon of definitions was woefully incomplete and therefore frightfully inaccurate. Hubbard never revealed the true and actual definition of words. He only provided acceptable truths---or more accurately, acceptable definitions. Here is a cold-blooded and factual definition of Operating Thetan:

    OPERATING THETAN - noun: 1. An imaginary godlike state accompanied by paranormal and miraculous powers, chief amongst them the miraculous feat of believing in the thoroughly debunked and ridiculous lies of a sociopathic clown messiah.

    # 9: Psychs are an evil wholetrack conspiracy to enslave you. Not a lie? LOL

    Helpful Tip:
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    • Do a clay demo on: "Why it is not a good thing to have big wins on Big Lies"
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  15. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I suspect that Clay gets confused with this concept because OT also means "Operating Troll" and so confuses the two definitions.

    Plus his incidents during the Piltdown Man era are in restim as well, and this could contribute to the confusion. :yes:
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  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Thank You for punching in!!!

    As much as I love playing Badminton with PTS4 no one sends the shuttlecock screeching over the net like a pre-emptive strike by Marine paratroopers like you do!!!

    "submit" also means "to enter into a discourse" and this plainly was it's usage and an obviously intelligent person you know this


    I DIDN'T submit to the volume of lies; I examined the materials and sought the truth of them of which there is much

    But as to lies...

    The OTVIII course is the top of the auditing side of the Grade Chart. CLIX-CLXII being the reserved province of the Sea Org, the CLVIII course is effectively the top of the training side of the Grade Chart. On both Hubbard makes the clear simple direct statement that Y'sua Ha Moschiach of Nazareth is not The Christ.

    Simple question HH...

    Is this the truth or is it a lie?
  17. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    And to you my greatly respected and dearly cherished foil...

    Same question.
  18. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    For this sentence to be true,

    There would have to be a body of work from hubbard...

    Unfortunately there was none Birdy...
    His ''psychology'' ''therapy'' ''religious'' ''rehabilitation'' ''spiritual'' pseudo work are only experiments based on real body of works stolen from other serious people, really interested with the field of mind. Those experiments consisting of mind manipulation, use of drugs on his own kids and on himself, use of alchohol, use of black magic and sadistic sexual misconduct, use of labour camp to reframe behavior, other words, exploit trust people have put in him to find way to reframe their mind into following him in total obedience in being abused. His sociopathic mind and his according policies , to become ethical member of a pseudo-religion of fake navy, failing in cheap movie making, and coercicion in music and song performers to appear on a cacaphonia of what he called a music album...

    The only body of work he left is how to mind manipulate and harm people the most vicious ways!


    But I validate that you persist in admiring, praising and loving such a disgusting character who's spirit (if still living) needs it to get away of his lucifer quest...
  19. screamer2

    screamer2 Idiot Bastardson

  20. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Once again HH, I never spell out "Operating Thetan" because I always did think it to be awfully clunky nomenclature for so sublime exquisite graceful and Godly a thing as spiritual enlightenment and development and even when I use the abbreviation OT I always put it in quotation marks, "OT", because while it is useful at this venue in terms of the commonly shared experience of the primary members of this board it (and the rest of the tech dictionary) is not part of my daily parlance...


    When my lifelong best friend Billy Martin was diagnosed with cancer in Seattle his wife sent me a note to alert me in Boston which I did not take from my postal box until several months later because I had already spontaneously left Boston for Seattle and that my friend accords quite well with the "OT" concept...

    And then what I was able to do for him to gain him not only immense physical, emotional and psychological relief but profound spiritual epiphany does as well and I will never dishonor myself by refusing L. Ron Hubbard my deep personal gratitude for developing techniques which I successfully applied to do sump'n gooood for my dyin' pal

    And I'll respond to #9 in my next post...