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Shooting at Scientology business in Denver

Discussion in 'Controversial Scientologists' started by Tom of Helatrobus, Jan 1, 2010.

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  1. Good twin

    Good twin Floater

    That could be the story. It certainly seems all of those elements could easily have been in place. However it's Scientology. There is also the very definite possibility that it's worse than we think. :coolwink:
  2. Mockingbird6

    Mockingbird6 Patron with Honors

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    Good Twin, I am absolutely in love with your current avatar (the heart with the moving sparkles--you change so often I need to describe it.) Beautiful!
  3. thetanic

    thetanic Gold Meritorious Patron

    Apparently, all the employees were required to "invest" part of their paychecks back into the company and would get paid out their investment at severance, but none of them actually did.

    None of them pursued it, being good Scns and all that.

    Aside from that, my guess is that you're pretty much spot on.
  4. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    Too bad you don't apply this reasoning whenever someone happens to equally casually speak about their scientology experiences and you demand all sorts of scientific verification of "claims", when it was only "acquaintances gossiping".

    Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
    I am not anonymous. I *do* forgive.
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  5. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Nobody 'demands' anything. We merely say that we consider the claims dubious and the claimer delusional, when not dishonest. There's no 'demand' there. And, no way to enforce a demand anyway.

  6. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    I see that I'm not current on terminology. What the heck is a "NON-MEMBER" issue? Is that something like the "stop service" order they used to do, where if a Scn did not comply with WiSE they could prevent him from getting service in an org?
  7. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    That's the impression that I get, that Ciancio wanted the money due him.

    My speculation has been that Fowler thought he could screw Ciancio out of it, thinking that Ciancio didn't have the resources to pursue the matter in court, the Ciancio told him that his father and sister were prominent attorneys, father an ex-judge, sis an ex-prosecutor, and Fowler flipped out when he realized that he was screwed.

    I would not be surprised to find out that Fowler was doing some hanky-panky with client software systems, in the service of OSA Info, and Ciancio knew or suspected enough to cause a major flap.
  8. Kathy (ImOut)

    Kathy (ImOut) Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yep. I got threatened with a "stop service" when I didn't want to do a WISE mediation. Nor was I willing to pay the individual membership of $50. I told my ethics officer I didn't care. So, he told me if WISE pushed the "stop service" he'd tell them to F off. He knew as well as I did, the mediation was BS.
  9. Royal Prince Xenu

    Royal Prince Xenu Trust the Psi Corps.

    Scientology is a "belief" based system, built entirely on speculation, and, as has been proven, fails for most people.

    This case is "fact" based, and leaves no room for speculation. I previously asked a bunch of forensic questions which publicly remain unanswered. Those questions, and others like them, will be relevant to establishing guilt or innocence.
  10. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    In 2003 WISE Info Letter 36 "ARE YOU WITH US?" was issued. In it it cited the DIV 6C QUALIY CHECKLIST as the order from LRH to join WISE. Point 33 of the Checklist says: "Buisnessmen who are on lines are introduced to WISE and signed up as members." The info letter goes on to state that if you are in disagreement with that then you are probably in disagreement with LRH. So if you don't join WISE a NON-MEMBER issue is released warning others about you and not to do business with you. This is the method of getting memberships for WISE employed today. Sign up or else.

    Does that do it?
  11. Kookaburra

    Kookaburra Gold Meritorious Patron

    I highly doubt that LRH ever saw the Div 6C quality checklist, much less order anyone to join WISE. The culties have lost it, big time. :no:
  12. thetanic

    thetanic Gold Meritorious Patron

    Nor is LRH best known for his works dated 2003. ;)
  13. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Pesonally I would like to do a comparison of the first printing of the OEC's to the ones that are out now.

    I bought the latest Management series which is on CD.

    I noted that thwre were many revised finance issues with revisions as late as 2004. I wonder what garage in California they found those original, on source, exactly as LRH intended and fully intact they found them in?
  14. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Thanks! That clears up a lot. So if you are a business owner you are required to join WISE in order to be allowed to do business with other Scns. I also vaguely remember an issue posted on an org bulletin board saying you needed to be a WISE member in order to employ other Scns.

    Back in the early 80's I remember looking through the WISE contract, with its parts on how WISE could send in a mission when it felt like, and you would have to pay for it. I remember saying "I'm not signing THIS", having realized they could siphon any amount of money they felt like though this mechanism.

    WISE also had the attitude that they wanted your company to be big enough and generating enough income "that it would be worth managing". I remember thinking "Oh, so before I get any management guidance, I have to first demonstrate that I don't need your guidance". Nice.
  15. auntpat

    auntpat Patron with Honors


    This Thread started out about 2 guys shot, etc. What the hell happened. Has anyone been charged for anything or what?:omg:
  16. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    We're waiting. But while you wait you can go check out "Juicy stuff coming out soon" We're waiting there too.:whistling:
  17. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    No charges filed yet:

    Where's Fowler right now?
  18. Kathy (ImOut)

    Kathy (ImOut) Gold Meritorious Patron

    Hiding from the law! You gotta wonder where he got off to. Flag, Freewinds, 24 hour watch?
  19. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    The Divisional Quality Checklists were originally Flag Divisional Directives (FDD's) and were printed on the appropriate divisional color flash paper. At the bottom they each said they were written "by" the appropriate Divisional Head at Flag Command Bureaux (now Flag Management) "for Quality Exec Int" (Int Exec Strata under ED Int) and "approved by AVC Int" (RTC)
    I saw all of these myself personally when I was the SHSBC Course Admin at ASHO Foundation (1991-1994).

    Not one of these "Divisional Quality Checklists" was ever authored or approved by Ron Hubbard.

    Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
    I am *not* anonymous. I *do* forgive.
  20. Royal Prince Xenu

    Royal Prince Xenu Trust the Psi Corps.

    OK, this is "scary". Someone who has been shot through the brain should still be in hospital. I know that the u.s. medical system is completely without compassion, but to discharge someone with this type of injury so soon is criminal in itself. He should have been under police watch, so how has he "disappeared"?