Yes, in order to minimize the cultishness of Scientology it is important to try to make a distinction between less fanatic Scientologists from more fanatic Scientologists. The problem with this is true unadulterated Scientology in Hubbard's own words defines the more fanatic Scientologists as being true pure Scientologists and the less fanatic as being off-purpose and dilettantes. It's the same with the Quran. A literal reading of the Quran just like Scientology supports that the more fanatic version is the correct version and so called moderate Muslims are practicing a watered down namby-pamby version. We may want to believe that the moderate Muslim is the correct version for the times but the Quran is still basically a military manual on the subjugation of non-Muslims. You are trying to reverse the reality to suit your intellectual argument. If you read KSW in light of OTO's "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" it can be interpreted as a rewriting of OTO's rule granting Hubbard total freedom to do as he wilt. Total amoralism is an occult ambition. Hubbard redefined morals for Scientologists in a way that he was Source and everyone else had to do his bidding - he achieved OTO's goal. You want to call that a sub-culture but we call it a cult. What is the worst abuse that you have personally witnessed that was committed while Hubbard was still alive and directly running things? If it wasn't very bad then we can expect you to have a romanticized impression of Scientology that let's you comfortably adhere and promote an intellectually dishonest narrative. I also came up through the Mission Network and with few exceptions it was relatively light and fun. A lot of friendships and romantic relationships were made there. I think that was the point. It was supposed to be the outer layer of the onion that got people into it and indoctrinated so when they experienced deeper layers of abuse they were committed and willing to rationalize what they saw. But for those of us who were deeper into the onion and saw how the abuse came directly from Hubbard it is naive for people who didn't to try to defend or minimize it. If Hubbard respected the Mission Network and it's less fanatical culture he wouldn't have had Miscavige and gang destroy it. You may want to rationalize that also like he was deceived and manipulated by Miscavige or didn't know what was going on but even if that was true it only shows how fallible he really was. So what you are really discussing here is not Scientology as a sub-culture of the larger culture but Scientologists who didn't witness abuse directly by Hubbard as a sub-culture of Scientology. Because you don't want your piece of the culture to be culty you need all of it to not be culty. BTW, I was also a student of TM and Buddhism when I seriously got into Scientology. That is part of the trap - Scientology has things that appeal to interests that you already have. It exploits seekers who are not disciplined in logic and offers something for everyone. It can handle any ruin. But you glossed over my main point that Hubbard and Scientology's beginnings are deeply rooted in actual cults and the occult yet you try to say it isn't a cult. We are expected to use a politically correct euphemism and somehow agree that this relationship isn't important. I find that to be intellectually dishonest. Initially people got involved because Dianetics claimed to understand the mechanics of the mind based on mental image pictures. Then it is Scientology and now the mental image pictures are energy impinging on spiritual beings. Then there are other spiritual beings from alien societies clinging to us and screwing up our mental image pictures with their own tormented pictures that are further messed up with drugs. So the progression goes from psychology to religion to demonology and Hubbard promised he had all the answers at each stage when in actuality it was all a circular trajectory back to the occult only with a moderne twist. One thing that was consistent through the religion and occult phases were the dungeons: windowless chain lockers, bilges, boiler rooms, cyclone fence cages, incinerator rooms and hot ant infested trailers out in the desert with bars on the windows - but still, we aren't supposed to associate any of that with cults. It's a minority religion.