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Stabbing @ Scio Sydney - 12/2/2019 9:42 PM Central Time USA

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Miss Ellie, Jan 3, 2019.

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  1. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes
    They pay something like $0.50 to $1.00 per hour. It is not enough to live on.
    Yes. They can also collect welfare which you can live on, but not well, especially with a child.
    The child would have full status for work and healthcare if she has a visa.
    I don't know.
    More like 90%. Senior roles in the Sea Org are Aussies. Taiwanese are used for EPF and handing out flyers. Not sure who does the auditing.
    None of the stories mention if she is on a work VISA, however if they say he is Taiwanese, which indicates he is not a Australian citizen which indicates she is on some sort of religious work VISA. In this case, after any jail sentence he would be deported. Not sure if she would be deported too.

    If he is deemed mentally unfit, he may be placed under psychiatric care instead.

    There are pretty much no options which look good for the family.
     
  2. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    The 'LOL' was for 'gobbley gook'. You're priceless too Leland. :biggrin:
     
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  3. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Could have been that kind of situation.
     
  4. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thanks for that.

    During the Alice Wu incident a few years ago, the Taiwanese recruits were not on religious visas, which are trackable, but electronic visitor visas that had to be renewed every few months or so. Those visitor visas are apparently inappropriate for SO recruits.
     
  5. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    This sort of thing happens when the news gets leaked out over time, people fill in the blanks or interpret statements to fill a void. Miss Ellie in her OP stated Mike and Leah would be blamed, we don't know that either but people speculate to supply answers that they don't have. Most people do it. See, I just did it myself.
     
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  6. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I can't speak for Australia, but in America, if you hold yourself out to provide services to the public, you are not private. Just because you have a sign that says you reserve the right to refuse service for any reason, does not make that sign legally valid.
     
  7. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    You don't know whether he was related to one of the escorts but calling it a domestic incident as opposed to having anything related to the church is the beginnings of legal maneuvering by calling it something that disconnects it from the church. However, there will be a trial because someone died and there will be witnesses that come from the church because they are involved. The kid is lucky he was arrested that they can't give him the Lisa McPherson treatment.
     
  8. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Yes, very much so!

    The HCO could have escorted him to an Isolation Room.....
     
  9. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    If HCO bring order was used, they will use physical force to remove someone and will be supported for doing it by the church because it is policy. It is written down in Hubbard words with an atomic branding iron.

    Because someone was stabbed we can't assume normal protocol, we can't assume he wasn't resisting being kicked out and can't assume he wasn't taken out forceably.

    There is a lot more to this than what is reported because someone was stabbed and usual left the building on that fact alone.
     
  10. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    As there is little evidence and mostly hearsay so far, you can't assume he was leaving just because the news report suggests it and he "far down the road", he may have wanted or tried to return to get what he came there for so don't fall into the trap of believing what is reported because news outlets of today are very flawed and likely speculate themselves.

    I see your point but it is also an assumption that he was amicably leaving.
     
  11. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    He is wearing an ID that looks just like the one the POLICE FORCE officer is wearing, I don't think he is cult, at least not COS cult.
     
  12. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    I hope he gets a good lawyer and that the media does not loose interest. The world might get some answers about the conditions and policies.

    I know the spin master has his job cut out to deflect attention from the true cause what ever it was.
     
  13. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Well, I was just going off the printed attribution below the photograph.

    By the way, this is a pic from the Grand Opening Celebration and has nothing to do with this thread! (if you missed that...)

    It states that the "Police are taking to Security...."

    Yes, I do see that badge....but am assuming for that Event with COB in attendance....that it is some sort of Security ID badge....?
     
  14. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    Because there is a policy of escorting someone without touching them does not mean that the SO members did it in silence. How much mental adjustment had been applied to this boy before hand and what was said as he was being escorted may have a lot to do with the incident.
     
  15. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    OK, now it looks like a Lisa McPherson story. The lawyer seems like a scum bag to me; his eyes darting as he answers questions.

    This could be a huge problem for Scientology because now the Introspection Rundown has come up a second time in relation to a death at the Church.

    Somebody get that family a really good lawyer.
     
  16. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Don't worry, I'm sure there are plenty of Aussies carrying knives in the outback. I think it is required for survival as it is very rough out there from what I have heard.
     
  17. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Back in the late sixties when I was a London Org staff member I was in the reception area when someone lobbed a brick through the main plate-glass window. Ron Hopkins, the then OES, ran down the street, grabbed the person responsible, dragged him back into the shop and beat the shit out of him. Can't see that happening today somehow (or at least having that happen and there being no repercussions whatsoever).
     
  18. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I only looked at the picture. I did wonder why the lady cop was grinning. If that was an event for the COS then it could be their ID badge to prevent impostor cops from infiltrating.
     
  19. screamer2

    screamer2 Idiot Bastardson

    All we know for certain is that clams are restless down under. All else is pure speculation.
     
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  20. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    Yeah, but unless you're from the 'hood', you don't go around carrying a bread knife in your jacket pocket. Which suggests they had really upset him the previous day, and he'd gone back ready to cause trouble. He probably took the knife as back-up for self-defence when they inevitably tried to remove him from the property. If he did that, then he's fucked from a legal perspective. It's hard to claim self-defence when you turned up with a bread knife in your pocket.

    I think the big question is, what was the altercation ABOUT? It might have nothing to do with Scientology. Maybe he was just the wayward offspring of a parishioner, dragged along to AOSH ANZO while the parent did services. But it's just as likely that it has something to do with Scientology.

    Who knows, perhaps the relative had just been recruited into the SO, and the boy felt that he'd lost his relative to a cult and wanted to have it out with AOSH. Or maybe he discovered that his Xmas present was that his parent had just spent his college fund on OTV.