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Stabbing @ Scio Sydney - 12/2/2019 9:42 PM Central Time USA

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Miss Ellie, Jan 3, 2019.

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  1. eyeswideopen

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  2. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    Permits to carry concealed weapons are rare. Police carry guns. Armored truck guards carry guns. Otherwise, carrying a gun on your person is illegal. If you have a gun license, you must store and transport it according to strict rules. You can't just carry it in your pocket.

    There aren't that many knife attacks in Australia and very few shootings. It isn't like USA over here.

    The idea that people want to shoot each other but can't so they carry guns is an alien idea to us in Aus. We just don't think like that. The second amendment style debates that are huge in the USA really don't exist in Australia and probably don't exist in the rest of the world.

    There have been times gangs have carried knives and there has been crackdowns on knives by police to curb this. If people carry weapons, police and citizens consider it a problem.

    My first thought when I think of a non gang related knifing is mental health issues or ISIS terror. Generally carrying a weapon for attack or self defense is considered extremely abnormal.
     
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  3. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    See, already the news is going against the kid a la "knife wielding rampage" Church image being shaped as well. Kid will be charged.
     
  4. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Sydney covers the difference between the US and Australia regarding guns....pretty well...

     
  5. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I agree with you, they keep saying it is unrelated to Scientology but he didn't want her to do the purif. This is a PR stunt to divert attention away from Scientology.

    They are trying to make it seem that the argument with his mother was about something else.
     
  6. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    It is related to the cult. It is part of the spin they get for spending 57 million.
     
  7. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    ^^^^

    Plus the kid must have been inside the AO?

    Where did the altercation start?

    Numerous reports that the Mother had told the AO Staff about this previous altercation...( the "domestic incident
    ) that happened the day before.

    IT has been reported that the AO Staff DECIDED not to allow him to see his mother. Where in the building did this occur? Where was the kid in the building? It was lunch time.

    If the Mother was just starting the Purif....would she not be doing the reading and study portion first. If this was the case...wouldn't she have been out of the Course Room on Lunch time?

    As this entire situation is revolving around an AO Sea Org Member being killed....when did THAT start.

    In the Lobby of AO?

    When did these 2 AO Staff decide to "escort him out." Who told them to "escort" him out. Who made that decision?

    It has been reported that an AO Staff member stated that "It" occurred in the driveway close to the exit of the property.

    This is obviously false!

    The "escorting" must have started in the building?

    Anyway....lots and lots of questions!

    The Cult is promoting the idea that this all happened at the kid's and mother's residence....!! (prior domestic dispute)

    The Police seem to be buying this shore story...and not reporting any information about what the kid's movements and Cult member movements were inside the AO complex.
     
  8. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Leland, yes. Because firearms are very restricted here, other weapons will come to the fore.
    There are still plenty of firearms here, it is difficult to get a permit without good reason. Self defence is not a reason here unless you are security or police. Handguns same, usually have to belong to a pistol club and rules on those are much more restrictive here.

    Guns are often the weapon of choice in country areas where they are much more prevalent.

    I own a compound bow which is not really restricted in my state, but I think they are slowly moving towards licensing and registration now. Crossbows are generally illegal, requires firearms licensing. Crossbows are generally intended for those who can't shoot a bow which tends to make them more like a gun.

    I believe knife attacks are quite common in the UK, particularly London. Stratty would be more up on that one than I am.
    It seems to be what happens, outlaw one thing, something else will rise to fill the void.
     
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  9. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    I concur. Said it better than I did...
     
  10. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    The police here usually don't give away too much info on an ongoing investigation unless they see benefits in doing so.
    Doesn't necessarily mean they are buying it, just not finished looking yet. Also information they give out could sometimes jeopardise their own court case.

    As they said, it is early in the investigation still.
     
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  11. Miss Ellie

    Miss Ellie Miss Ellie

    Where is the mother in relation to her son? I wonder if she has been to see him, tried to see him, is cooperating with police in the matter. I would think the news would play up the distraught mother worried about her "troubled" child. They could interview her without disclosing her/his identity. Over here she would be on the news trying to get help for her "troubled" child.

    Is there a father in the picture - is he in as well? Never in? In the country or back home? Any siblings... again in/out/never/where?

    As a child I was very upset about all the time the mother spent on course & in auditing. I never voiced it that I remember but I hated it. They got all her time, attention & most of the resources. When I had time with her it was spent talking about "IT" ... or trying to apply "IT".

    I wish I could whisper in the ear of a few reporters as to the questions to ask.
     
  12. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    My guess is that the media would have already tried to do so. Depends upon the info they are allowed to make public and what access they have to the defendant (probably nil, lawyer will do the talking) and undoubtedly, the church would have barred mother from making any comments.
     
  13. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Here are 2 pics I grabbed from a News Video.

    I believe this is the Mother...flanked by 2 female reporters, holding microphones.... (no hard info on if this is the mother or not....just guessing)

    She is trying to get away. I believe this was taken on the day of the stabbing at the AO.

    It sure looks like she is checking her phone in one of them....

    Screen-Shot-2019-01-04-at-7.02.jpg Screen-Shot-2019-01-04-at-7.01.jpg
     
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  14. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    The identity of the Mother is probably protected as her ID would then potentially ID her underage son. ( whom I am sure is protected by laws....)

    It is interesting per your personal experience above Miss Ellie, that these restrictions actually bind the Mother and the Child closer to the Cult....and its control, which resulted in a murder...than openly discussing this situation in public.
     
  15. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Rather macabre thought....and an odd picture...but here goes....

    Here is a picture of a Scientology Sea Org member that appears to be her asking Australian Police the best way to insert a knife into someone....or perhaps how the knife was inserted...with sign language?

    #3.jpg
     
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  16. Leland

    Leland Crusader

  17. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Could you post a link to the video? Both videos?
     
  18. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Generally over here, if she is the mother she would have had her face blotted out to prevent ID until they were allowed to show it. There are some pretty strong laws about it regarding privacy. The media generally respect this.
    Some journos have been jailed for trying to side step this in the past.
     
  19. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    You're right...

    It could be any Cult Student leaving that day....or even a Staff in street cloths...
     
  20. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Dang...I'll try to find it.

    The single one...I believe is just a pic and not a vid.