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Sweeney on marty's Blog

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by Terril park, May 9, 2010.

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  1. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    Great surprises :)

    I love little birds and I'm looking forward to the "show":coolwink::happydance:

    Best
    Markus
     
  2. Doom

    Doom Lurking.

    Thank you, Mick I just couldn't say it as succinctly as you just did.

    Marty has a short memory and thinks that the "ANZO cases" have forgotten he tried to sink the inquiry, no wonder he wont show his face around here.

    Simple human weakness Money and Power.

    Hell if Marty directly attacks the doctine of the CofS rather than just DM,
    I'll happily retract my words, but not if its that hamsterwheel bullshit.

    PS Terrill if you think marty will remain in the FZ and maybe take it mainstream once he takes DM out, think again.
     
  3. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    No worries mate. :)

    [ shit! I've got an aussie valence sticking its neck out]


    I am primarily looking at things with a PR perspective which is very appropriate re COS. Speaking is an action, and as the saying goes, "the
    pen is mightier than the sword". Even some european governments
    have spoken. In their case they have the resources of the police and
    courts etc as back up.

    I knew Jim since before Marty started his blog. They've reconciled and are friends. Jim is very much a hardline KSW zealot. Marty less so. See his
    thoughts on changing upper level approaches. Your slant on their relationship
    is quite wrong IMO. They are both self determindly doing what they want to do.

    I completely disagree with you here. One program whose back story
    and personel I knew very well was the " Beginners guide to L Ron Hubbard."
    This didn't even attack DM, yet enormous efforts were made to get it stopped. OSA visited the "mentor" 4-5 times a day, threatening him, for a month including sending people from LA. Thats merely one facet of attempts to stop it .

    Multiple people stating on video and the press that DM physically assaults
    people, and Marty admitting complicity are not vague accusations.

    I hope further support for criminal indictments occur. The wheels of justice turn slow. Note that the cases of human trafficking directed at RTC and DM are still to come in Mark Headleys case next november. Marty would be foolish to pre-empt matters. There is also a similar case coming up with the son of one of Marty's friends.

    Looks like he has succeeding in doing something I've tried to
    do and failed. Looks like he and Sweeney will expose, on Panorama the
    hypocracy of COS's claims to support freedom of religion, when in reality
    they come and threaten my Freezone friends with lawsuits, because
    they follow their religion, philosophy and tech outside COS.
     
  4. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Was Tobin and Childs, which does not diminish Marty's action in stepping up to the plate and running with it.

    I've mailed Marty to ask him about his actions re Australia.
     
  5. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    In MR's defence, to the degree he has been successful in promoting to the world's media questions regarding the past and present behavior & corruption of the Co$ that serves to communicate widely to millions of people. These millions thus become reinforced in attitudes which would make them AT BEST highly sceptical potential converts to the Co$. In fact, it serves mostly to dissuade the viewers & readers who had been reached from any possible involvement with the Co$ at all. That is a positive development.

    I'm certainly not an MR "fanboy", remaining sceptical of his actions and unconvinced as to his real intentions. I fully accept that he has involved himself in the Australian Inquiry process to adverse effects. I feel he needs to answer to that & other issues publicly. So far he hasn't done anywhere near an adequate job of doing so. That is certainly within his rights, but it is also certainly not a way to gain public trust.

    It's his public credibility on the line. He gets to choose how he addresses that issue.


    Mark A. Baker
     
  6. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    oh dear. I just said that Marty is taking advantage of this deluded person and is enabling him.

    But as I would think that anyone who is a "KSW zealot" is de facto a headbanger and in need of serious help and you would probably think it was ok - we are never really going to come close to agreeing.


    But Terril my contention is not that the cofs does not fight against bad pr. It is that it does not fight bad pr because of the effect on Scientologists. It fights bad pr because an unpleasant rep in the public eye can lead to things like Senators calling for enquiries.

    But it does not have much of an effect on Scientologists. - my opinion of course.

    But the people saying the assaults took place are not Marty. And some of those had been written about before the St Pete Times. All Marty has done is glom onto what others are doing - in this arena at least.

    Pre-empt? He is not pre-empting anything. He has not,AFAIK , filed any information with law enforcement about things like assaults, trafficking or whatever.

    It has nothing to do with "pre-empting" it is called reporting a crime. Why do you think that Marty reporting what he knows in a depso or an affidavit would "pre-empt" anything?


    When I see the program - the proof will be in the pudding.
     
  7. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    Scientology = completely nuts in the eyes of the public at large - whether it be CofS or Independent/FZ. Trying to handle that with LRH's PR Tek would be like trying to improve the public image and desirability of Hepatitis C. But let 'em have a go - it gives them something to occupy themselves with. Poor souls that they are.
     
  8. TEoS

    TEoS Patron with Honors

    I regard Rathbun as a prize dick, but at the same time, I can appreciate the fact he's being a right royal pain in Miscavige's ass, so I'm content to sit back and enjoy the popcorn.

    Marty needs to be careful just how successful he is in getting Slappy brought to justice, because as sure as night follows day, if Miscavige ends up in court accused of X number of abuses and criminal actions, you can be sure he will try to drag Rathbun down with him. All the dirty deeds that Rathbun performed for Slappy when he was still part of the cult will be brought out into the open in a last-ditch attempt to spread the blame. I'd like to bet odds on that the list of Rathbun's "crimes" runs to a very large number of pages.

    Careful what you wish for, Marty, 'cos you just might get it, and all the trouble that comes along for the ride.
     
  9. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Not sure what a headbanger is in this context. I'm not a KSW zealot by a long way, but appreciate that quality contol of auditing is a good thing, as indeed is quality control of any product.

    Being zealous re green on white I'm at the opposite side of. I think much of it is excellent, but also consider much is a poisoned chalice, and in particular
    that there is no evaluation of importances of the various issues. Being OEC/FEBC I've read them all and now exercise judgement. Any time I come across
    a PL I look at it in a new unit of time as to its worth.



    You have just stated a good reason to appreciate Marty's efforts. :)

    I take a different view. COS are VERY concerned about how parishioners are affected by adverse PR. Just look at the problems parishioners get
    from ethics when they read the wrong book, have computer access etc.


    Marc Headley was the first. Again one shouldn't take away from Marty
    the fact that he steppped up to that plate big time.

    The crime of human trafficking is on the docket for Marc Headleys case.
    The police have not arrested anyone yet. It has yet to be proved.

    There are rumours here and there that the FBI are investigating such matters. If so one presumes they are gathering data.

    Not sure if the Marc Headley case is solely civil, or if the human trafficking
    matter is already criminal. We know from Larry Brennan's comments re
    religious cloaking that attacking COS legally is a difficult job. To
    forewarn them would clearly not be sensible. Its really up to the authorities to bring charges. They havn't yet, despite much urging from many. I presume
    the lawyers involved are setting strategy here.




    When I see the program - the proof will be in the pudding.[/QUOTE]
     
  10. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Marty's playing you for a patsy Terril. If you like that kind of thing, well, that's your business. But, it's too much to expect people here to play dumb just because you choose to and we don't want to 'invalidate' you.

    So much of what you've gushed about Marty Rathbun is just plain wrong that it's not worth taking your opinion seriously.

    Zinj
     
  11. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Marty's not playing me for a Patsy. We have very little communication.
    I'm just giving my viewpoint as I do on occasion. Personally I don't think your viewpoint re Marty is worth taking seriously but I'll fight to the death for
    your right to troll everyone. :)
     
  12. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    You might find this of interest.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

    No offense intended.
     
  13. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    To be fair, Marty decided to plug Terril's favorite 'Freezone' video (although he pretty much deigned to take credit for it), so, I'd guess that Terril considers it mutual back-scrubbing.

    Zinj
     
  14. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    Maybe for now. As we know, Scientology is good at using and discarding people.
     
  15. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    Thanks for this info, Paul. I just found it today. Wanted to bump it back up for maybe others to see.
     
  16. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Yes indeed. I don't see how anyone can understand much about Hubbard and Scientology without a grasp of what Ambry wrote there. Even years on staff don't give such a good overview.

    Paul