as Ron said: What is is true for you is true, and what you have observed. Or something like that. So, what have I observed, simply is no clears or OT's. I wish I would have asked that question when I first got involved, namely, show me a clear and a OT, I'd like to meet them and ask them some questions. but I never did. Now I would ask some very pointed questions. Do you know what those questions would be? based on Hubbards claims? This is called due diligence.