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The ESMB Unpopular Opinions Thread

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Alanzo, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    That really crushed me. I'm so hurt.

    Is that your best?:cool:
     
  2. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I'm not trying to crush you. I'm trying to make you smile.
     
  3. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I found it amusing, especially the donkey part, they're stubborn ya know.;)
     
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  4. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Mike Rinder was not brainwashed into running all fair game, covering up sex crimes & ruining people utterly as the head of the Office of Special Affairs for David Miscavige for 22yrs.

    He chose to do that, every day.
     
  5. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    When I was in Scientology, I always had the power to leave. I stayed as long as I did not because I didn't have power of choice, but rather because I still believed (in varying degrees over time) that the church was delivering the state of OT. I constantly observed OTs to try to satisfy myself that they had gotten something akin to the claims for the OT levels. For me, people stay if they believe the information given to them by the church. When you stop believing that, then it's not that hard to leave, if you are the only member of your family in Scientology.

    If brainwashing means fixed ideas installed in a person's mind, then I don't think brainwashing was much of a factor in my stay in Scientology. If it means false information presented to you that you then believe, because you haven't seen sufficient contradictory evidence, and because that information is presented with such confidence and conviction, and is reinforced by everybody saying more or less the same thing, then it is the MAIN factor in people staying.

    I kept my eyes and ears open throughout the time I was in Scientology. I didn't really agree with their attempts to ruin people who wrote books about them. I remember reading Roy Wallis's book, The Road to Total Freedom, and thinking "this book is not all that critical of Scientology, and is fairly balanced". Their attempts to fair game him seemed odd to me. I do think that Scientology breeds fanaticism, but I think people do have power of choice over that fanaticism.
     
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  6. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Here is an opinion that I'm sure will be unpopular: I think, once in a while, @Alanzo is correct.

    I don't think brainwashing is part of standard Scientology training or auditing. I do think that the RPF, with mental and physical degradation and abuse, coupled with nightly Scientology indoctrination could very well qualify as brainwashing, but regular Scientologists will not run into that level of coercion.

    Scientology does, very certainly, practice thought control -- that's proven by the fact that KSW#1 is required as the first thing in every Scientology course and the PTS/SP Course is usually required for almost all Scientologists. The PTS/SP Course is all about cutting Scientologists away from "bad" information, "bad" thoughts and "bad" people -- thought control.

    But brainwashing? I don't think so.
     
  7. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    And why do you think he chose to do that every day?
     
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  8. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    The slang term "brainwashing" is a straw man.

    This is similar to the Scientology cult saying that (frame up) Operation Freakout (1976) against Paulette Cooper was never implemented (It wasn't implemented due to complications arsing from the nabbing of Michael Meisner of Snow White fame - long story), and then not mentioning that (frame up) Operation Dynamite (1972) was implemented.

    Don't be tricked.
     
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  9. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Cause Alanzo said so. He's got more up his butt if you need it.
     
  10. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Because he did it every day.

    It takes a special kind of person to do that kind of thing every day. And Mike was that special guy. Very few people on earth could have done that job.
     
  11. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Now you're being a troll and creating noise, and those impulsively responding to you are troll enablers.

    You've repeatedly avoided my questions and my posts because you can't counter them intelligently, and if you were to try to counter them you'd look foolish.

    It's time to start ignoring Alanzo before this MB become a junk yard.
     
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  12. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Just as God helps those who help themselves, cults brainwash those who brainwash themselves.
     
  13. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's a no answer
     
  14. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Aw. But it's fun to play with the little mousey.
     
  15. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    For how long?

    How does this look to people newly discovering ESMB?
     
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  16. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    :hysterical:
    It'll look like a message board with lots of different opinions on it, with lots of stimulating debate and fun, non robotic posters who can tolerate new ways of seeing things.

    That's exactly what you want to attract new members, Grandma.
     
  17. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I have no obligation to take you off ignore, or to respond to you.

    Ignoring you is not trolling.

    /Ignore
     
  18. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    You do not have me on ignore.

    You're simply afraid.
     
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  19. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    ........
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2019
  20. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Karen must really be putting a lot of pressure on you to "handle Alanzo".

    That was my LOL.

    And a well-deserved one, too.