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Perhaps y'all can help me see the light on something.
I believe there's a clear line of demarcation on this subject.
That is, two groups of individuals.
Group one is like 99.99% of us who were simply conned or
tricked into participating in all of this.
Group two is the 0.01% that learned about the complete
scam and falsity of promises and results, but yet kept on
going and even inventing new lies and shore stories to keep
the con going after LRH's death circa 1986-88.
This was posted on Mike's site a while back and explains what
I mean better than I could right now.
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Forever Lurker says
September 25, 2018
It’s always intrigued me, which of these guys were the inventors of the shore stories, the lies, and which were simply the enablers of the shore stories.
We know Hubbard invented a so-called “science,” but how did he end up himself? I can only go by the actual outcomes it produced in him.
Hubbard was very physically ill on and off from about 1968 to his death in 1986 (ages 57 to 75). Much more so than most people his age. He suffered from multiple bouts of pneumonia yearly at one time (admitted in a personal letter), heart attacks, strokes, pancreatitis (taken to hospital in early ’85 for a very bad attack . . . could not walk by himself), among other things.
From age 64 on, he exhibited early signs of dementia or senility. I’m not a doctor so I can’t exactly describe it . . . but he had it. Something going on there. (From my readings of posts and discussions with people who worked directly with him face to face. Also, his personal doctor, Denk, has said as much, as corroborated by Bill Franks.) He suffered from an uncontrollable temper and rages as he got older.
He wished to die in 1985 and attempted to take his life in November, so we’re told by his close friend and confidant, Sarge. In 1986, he volitionally withheld proper medical treatment at a hospital for a stroke or two, so he would die.
By 1988, Marty along with Monique Yingling, Greg Whilhere, Miscavige, six PIs, and quite a few others had raided LRH’s former ranch at Newbury Springs and absconded with a treasure trove of LRH’s auditing folders and research notes. Marty and the other senior execs pictured above would have, should have known by then (with total certainty I’m guessing) that OT 9 & 10 didn’t exist in any way, shape or form. That the promises of the upper bridge were essentially unachieved, so essentially a fraud, and that LRH came to ignoble ending.
Can you share with us who were the originators and perpetrators of the lies and false mythologies post-1986? These events and stories did not just “happen” out of the blue. They were caused and invented by somebody(s). The bridge turned into a volitional false act and carefully orchestrated fraud at that point. Who are the liars and who are the enablers here? Who were the members of the secret cabal that knowingly lied for decades?
Otherwise, we have only a conspiracy of one, David Miscavige, and no one else knew a thing. Some have said as much.
Who invented the LRH achieved OT, LRH invincibility, and Target Two disembodied research stories after LRH’s death? DM? Broeker? Cooley? Who knew better but covered up the truth? Ray Mithoff?
Who invented the story that OT 9&10 existed and would become available? That one cost me about $30K in a donation for a future imaginary level. The RTC that Marty was the head of at the time sent out a letter about it in the early 90’s and I paid up.
Who wrote the Original OT 8 and which of the guys in the photo knew that it was not LRH? Who just went along to get along but knew better?
My theory is that these guys are locked up because they know way too much and are too dangerous to be on the loose and free. If any of them talked and told the true details of the steps that were taken post-1986 to perpetuate the con, the COS would collapse pretty quickly. The easy solution then would be to keep them locked up and incommunicado until they pass away.
I believe that all these stories and lies were invented by specific individuals and then others hid the actual truths they knew. It cost me a ton in cash and personal grief. I’d like to know the “who” or “whos” behind all this.
Mike, what can you tell us?
Mike Rinder says
September 25, 2018
Sorry. I don’t have time right now. You’ve asked a number of good questions here
and each is somewhat complex to answer.
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I haven't been able to get ANYONE -- Marty or Mike or others -- to answer up with any actual
names either. And I've asked them both about all this a few times too.
I liken this all to the Bernie Madoff financial Ponzi scheme, which lasted twenty years or more. Was
Bernie Madoff the ONLY one who was in on the scam? No, a whole secret floor of people were in on
it, while a majority of the rest of his company had no clue. Many of those in on the massive theft
of people's life assets (and lives) are in jail or will be there one day soon. The victims of the scam,
of course, had no clue.
I can easily forgive victims of a scam like Scientology. I would like to know the names of all the secret
enablers though. Some of them are still roaming around and keeping this financial scam in place.
Maybe it doesn't matter anymore and maybe nobody cares but me.
I do know one thing: individuals invented the lies and shore stories. They did not just happen out
of the blue.
What do you think?