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The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology

Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Type4_PTS, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    this is great, Moxon at #21 I posted this to the thread at the Village Voice:

    The Moxon entry is a hoot, good call Mr Ortega.
    The last time scientology tried to depose me, I got a check from Kendrick Moxon for $45.00 as a witness fee.. I never cashed it as the money was slavers dollars and I wanted a souvenir of this exchange:

    Deposition starts with Video running, Scientology attorney Rosen doing questions:

    ROSEN: Mr Lerma why do you continue to say bad things about the Church of Scientology?

    LERMA: Mr. Rosen, are you referring to the international psychopolitical terrorist organization dba scientology and related entities, doing a brisk yet rapidly shrinking business defrauding the public worldwide?

    ROSEN: (Sputters) You can't talk about Church of Scientology that way!!

    LERMA: Mr Rosen, Are you trying to trick me into committing perjury on your behalf?

    ROSEN: This deposition is over!


    And here is image of the uncashed check:
  2. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    #20 Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures)

    #20 Trey Parker and Matt Stone (and other media figures including: Conan O'Brian, Stephen Colbert, Howard Stern, and Bill Maher)

    There is an explanation in the article linked above on why these individuals were awarded the 20th place. As well there are some great video clips as well such as this one I included below. The full article along with all the video clips are definitely worth checking out. :thumbsup:
  3. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

  5. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

  6. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

  7. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

  8. ClamSource

    ClamSource Patron with Honors

    Ooh, it's starting to warm up. Kind of surprised BFG comes in at #16.
  9. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    #15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)

    #15: Andreas Heldal-Lund (and other old time church critics)

    #15 actually consists of quite a few people and it's an excellent article. :yes:
    I'll put a little bit of an excerpt here but you've got to check out the original here with all the links and photos. Some of you on this board are included here but you'll have to go to the original and click on all the links to find out if you are. :coolwink

    That was just a small sample. Also included in the article are:
    Bob Minton
    Ida Camburn
    Kristi Wachter
    Rick Ross
    Zenon Panoussis
    Karin Spaink
    MANY others

    I never realized how many SP's were out there before. :no::coolwink::biggrin:
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2011
  10. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    Dear Mr Ortega, Thank you for honoring my mentor and old freind Joe Harrington, and many of my closest friends, especially Tory Christman.. May I propose that. US Federal Judge Leonie Brinkema be considered for an award.

    1) For this useful and MEMORABLE quote from Judge Brinkema's Dec 1995 ruling in RTC vs Lerma et al

    ""the Court is now convinced that the primary motivation of RTC [$cientology] in suing Lerma, DGS and The Post is to stifle criticism of Scientology in general and to harass its critics."


    2) for AUTHENTICATING OTIII, The XENU Story in her final Memorandum Opinion in RTC vs Lerma 4 Oct 1996- That scientology had sealed for a short time until Judge Brinkema unsealed it, after returning from vacation...

    " Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts "

    And the rest is history!
  11. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    #14: Tory Christman (and other noisy ex-Scientologists)

    This #14 slot consists of many of our own ESMB members as well as some other Ex'es as well. Many of them by themselves I consider worthy of a Top Ten finish.
    This is a must-read article by Tony Ortega. You'll learn something about some of your fellow Ex'es for sure.
    Here is a link to the full article:

    Congratulations to Tory and all the others who filled the #14 slot!
    Arnie Lerma, Pooks, Nancy Many, Larry Brennan, Larry Anderson, AnonSparrow, Gerry Armstrong, Chuck Beatty, ​Laura DeCrescenzo, Will and Scarlett, Karen #1, and many others!


    Here is a excerpt (below) for the first entry, Tory Christman:

    ​Tory Christman was once such a dedicated Scientologist, she called herself "Queen of the OSA volunteers." She was so determined to help out the Office of Special Affairs -- Scientology's intelligence and covert operations wing -- she went online to do battle with the church's critics. But in the year 2000, the skirmishes being waged at the Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology were fierce and frenetic -- how would she be able to make a dent? Her strategy was to post relentlessly, day and night, and under the moniker "Magoo." She wrote so often, defending Scientology by making vicious attacks on its critics, other users of a.r.s came to believe that Magoo was really a team of OSA employees working around the clock.

    The truth finally came out in spectacular fashion, when on July 20, 2000, Tory announced to the world her real identity, and that she was abandoning Scientology. It turned out that while she was doing battle with church critics, their arguments had begun to give her doubts, and a caring overture by Andreas Heldal-Lund made her question her deepest beliefs. Tory's defection seemed to symbolize the dire threat a connected world posed to an organization built on secrecy and control.

    If Tory was a relentless church defender, she's been an even more relentless critic since her famous escape. I asked Mark Bunker about Tory's stamina as one of the noisiest ex-Scientologists, and he sent this lengthy tribute to her:

    I met Tory when she was still in Scientology. I encountered her and her then-husband Harold Bezazian at several protests in which she tried to handle critics of the group. She and Harold were good people. I could see that then. I enjoyed my encounters with them. Tory was feisty but sweet and Harold had a nice sense of humor. He looked a lot like Wayne Newton, too, so it was hard to think of him as a badass. (Here's a little footage of him.) A year later in 2000 Tory left the group and came to the Lisa McPherson Trust for help. I wish I had been at the airport when she arrived in Clearwater because Scientology was waiting to try to snatch her up before she could join us and the police had to intercede. We didn't want our camera there because we didn't want Tory to think we were out to exploit her situation. Ironically, it didn't take long for Tory to decide she wanted to speak on camera and she hasn't stopped since. We took her to a protest in Boston and she was so pissed off by Scientology's actions that she got out of the car to join in. Since that time, Tory has given numerous speeches about her experiences and she always charms the crowd with her natural warmth, her good humor and her ability to connect with people one on one even while in front of a large group. She instinctively picks out a person in the group and explains how a process like disconnection can affect that one person and makes the experience something to which we can more easily relate. Her first speech at the Center for Inquiry West has several good examples of that technique. When she left Scientology, her entire world evaporated. Her husband, her friends, former co-workers all disconnected. She found a new family online. I got Tory a webcam and walked her through how to use it and she makes almost daily videos to post on YouTube. The power of these videos is pretty staggering. There are millions of videos online but Tory has cut through the clutter. I've been around the world with her and seen people stop us in the street because they recognize Magoo from her videos. The most amazing incident was when we were walking outside the BBC in London with John Sweeney. We passed some dude who could have cared less that a nationally renowned TV journalist was standing there with us. It was the sight of Magoo which stopped him in his tracks. Tory also talks about her experiences every day with people in restaurants, and shops. She hands out cards with URLs of sites like and and posts her phone number online so people can call her and get answers and advice. I only wish I had her energy. There's no stopping Magoo.
    Tory is truly one of a kind. But many other Scientologists who leave the organization choose not to fade into obscurity. We want to recognize those who've had the greatest impact. Some have spent years trying to educate the public about their experiences and warn governments about Scientology's abuses, and some ex-members pose a threat because of who they were in Scientology.

    See full article here:
  12. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    Bravo,Bravo Tory.......,Bravo!
    Big hello from LRHs Bulgraviya.
  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    #13: Janet Reitman (and other journalists)

    The #13th person crippling Scientology is another composite being. :coolwink::biggrin:

    It consists of Janet Reitman, Paulette Cooper, John Sweeney, Bryan Seymour, Richard Leiby, Lawrence Wright, Jonny Jacobson, John Cook, Mark Ebner, Roger Friedman, Nathan Baca, Russell Miller, Richard Behar, Joel Sappell, Robert Welkos, and others.

    Here's an excerpt (below), the entry on Mark Ebner. To see the rest you need to go here:


    ​Mark Ebner has done many good pieces about Scientology, but as far as I'm concerned, he's the author of one of the best pieces ever written about the church: in 1996, Ebner experienced Scientology from the inside, signing up to be audited and purified. In a brilliant stroke, he opened his Spy magazine piece by dead agenting himself -- anticipating the blowback he'd get from Scientology, he started out by listing his own shortcomings and run ins with the law. Inspired. And so Ebner. Watch him describe to Mark Bunker the stunt he pulled with a disguised script of Hubbard's Battlefield Earth.
  14. Freeminds

    Freeminds Bitter defrocked apostate

    I think it's indicative of just how thoroughly lousy the Scientology cult is, that a list of 25 "people crippling Scientology" isn't long enough, and that so many of the people in question have to be doubled up in this manner.

    I'm assuming that the number one slot is reserved for the asthmatic midget himself. It certainly ought to be... but even so, there's still a dozen places left in the rundown.


    A lovely series, Village Voice. Well done and thank you to all who have contributed to this success. (Especially Kendrick Moxon. Love ya Ken!)
  15. ClamSource

    ClamSource Patron with Honors

    John Sweeney gets a mention. More strength to your arm John Sweeney.

    Also, I notice academics only come in at #24. Ex Scientologists are at #12. Journalists come in at #13. Media bias much?

    Still waiting with bated breath to see where these figure in the story:

    - CoB David Miscavige
    - the original ClamSource L Ron Hubbard
    - couch jumping Freedom Medallist Tom Cruise
    - Lisa McPherson
  16. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    More appropriate would be :

    The Top 25 People Killing Scientology

    When I read what Ken Dandar, Grahm Berry and so many others endured for years and then contrast that to the patty cake games going on between Marty armed with a garden hose and the Squirell Busters massed in a golf cart with a mini cam and that speedy little paddle boat out in the canal.

    The only thing any of that crew could get arrested for is public foolishness.
  17. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    In an article from earlier today Tony Ortega highlighted some of the weeks memorable comments to all of his articles of this week. One of the comments was from Barbara Graham and concerned Ida Camburn who was listed amongst the old time CoS critics in the #15 slot (of the "Top 25" list)

    EDIT: I'm going to add in the section about Ida Camburn from the original article for those of you who are unfamiliar with her. Below that will be the comment from Barbara Graham.


    Ida Camburn (1923-2010) lost a son to Scientology, and she began fighting the organization so long ago, references to her were found in church documents seized in the 1977 FBI raids. I came to know her because, back in the day, you couldn't write about Scientology without hearing from Ida Camburn. Living right in the shadow of Scientology's secretive desert headquarters, she would send encouraging e-mails and pass on tips, and nothing ever seemed to discourage her. As I said earlier this year, when documents became public that showed Ida had been duped by a Scientology mole to gather information about journalist Richard Leiby, that revelation made me very angry: "No one, in the 16 years I've been reporting on Scientology, was more pleasant and helpful than Ida Camburn," I wrote. She is missed.
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2011
  18. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    #12 Tommy David (and other hapless church executives)

    Tommy Davis leads the way here in the #12 slot. Congratulations to Tommy and Jessica Feshbach, Jan Eastgate, Bennetta Slaughter, Pat Harney,
    Denise Miscavige-Covington-Licciardi-Gentile, John Carmichael, and the others.

    It was very well deserved, in fact I'd of been more generous and given you all a Top Ten slot. :biggrin:

    Here's the original article here:

    And here's a thread that GreyWolf started on this article:
  19. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    Tommy ( Mr Honesty ) Davis most likely is in SP hall... as is his dippy wife whatsherface.

    Maybe after a few years on the RPF they'll be rescued by the superhero Marty and whisked away to the hometown of the International HQ of the squirrel busters.

    But even Marty can not allow Tommy to do anything but read scripted statements.

    Among the evil there is some humor.
  20. Thrak

    Thrak Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm assuming the top 3 will have to be TC, DM, and the old fart hisself.