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Tony O exposes Virginia Stewart's lies regarding disconnection (ESMB gets a mention)

Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Emma, Jan 19, 2012.

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  1. Petey C

    Petey C Silver Meritorious Patron

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    I just love how relentless he is, what a good writer he is and how he actually "gets" Scientology so that he can write so clearly about it. So far he has not put a foot wrong. :clap:
     
  2. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

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    I got into Scientology several years prior to 1983 and was in for a number of years after 1983. I saw NO change in the policy on Disconnections. :no:

    In fact, I personally did a PTS Handling on another staff member (1979 or 1980) as part of a course I was doing and the handling involved a disconnection.
     
  3. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

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    The post from Xenu in reply to Sketto in Free to shine's post pretty well described the situation during the 1970s.
     
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  4. Happy Days

    Happy Days Silver Meritorious Patron

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    Great article from the big O at the Village Voice.

    Well unfortunately the death of Virginia's dad is a way out for her and she does not have to address this issue again.

    I recall a conversation I had with Margie Pearse, the HCO Sec at the AOSH ANZO at the time, when I joined the SO and had a number of PTS handlings to try and HANDLE my situation with my family. She said to me 'Fortunately both my parents are dead so I don't have to worry.' It shocked me to say the least and that statement did not give me a solution to my the apparent issue I had with my parents, I certainly did not wish them dead to handle it. :no::no:

    The mind of a dedicated SO member is a disturbing and callous one to say the least :yes::yes:
     
  5. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

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    From Comments Section: Michael Hobson 6 hours ago in reply to sketto



    WOG
    I read Ron Hubbards policy on murdering people who
    disagree with him or Scientology.

    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Oh, no there is no such policy.

    WOG
    Here it is, you can read it.

    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Oh that one! That was only in effect from
    1950 thru 1983. Ron canceled it when he
    discovered that the policy was too often abused.

    WOG
    And....the fact that innocent people were systematically
    murdered for 33 years doesn't bother you?

    SCIENTOLOGIST
    Oh no, not at all. It was just a pilot.
     
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  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

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    It's possible that Sneakster really doesn't know any better, but Marty&Mike know better, and they continue to pretend that disconnection was cancelled in 1968.
     
  7. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

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    I hear what you are saying, but how is it even conceivable that Sneakster could not know what happened in Scientology when he was IN Scientology.

    Oh wait, he's still in. Maybe that's why.
     
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  8. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

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    The Village Voice is a free weekly newspaper and news and features website in New York City that features investigative articles, analysis of current affairs and culture, arts and music coverage, and events listings for New York City.

    It was the first and is arguably the best known of the big-city tabloids that came to be known as alternative weeklies.

    Nice list of awards. :thumbsup:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_Voice
     
  9. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

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    Scooter posts in the Comments:

     
  10. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

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    Freaky:

    Letter to family member or lifelong friend:

    "Dear x,

    You know how much I love you and how much trouble that causes me with the Church of Scientology, with their disconnection policy. Some times I lie awake at night and just wish you were dead so I did not have to deal with it.

    Much Love.
    etc...."
     
  11. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

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    I just have to say this was a great way to start the day! I was so annoyed about Virginia's bald faced lies the other day, so thankyou Tony O and Emma and unnamed exes! :happydance:
     
  12. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

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    OSA is still is malevolent and as well funded as it has always been. Probably more so. Do not get suckered into the M²&M² Show meme that OSA is just a bunch of morons with cameras on their heads. That's a sideshow. The Tortega recently discussed how some friends from his past are being contacted by PIs digging dirt, he knows he's in the gun . . . but seems somewhat less than shuddered into silence ; )
     
  13. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

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    :wow: EXCELLENT article! Well done, Tony. :thumbsup:
     
  14. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

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    How can any honest and slightly sane person write what Hobson did? But then, it seems some Scientologists are extremely unwilling to "confront" what is actually THERE! :duh:

    I got involved in Scientology in 1976. There were SP declares and it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE that one did NOT communicate with ANY SP, because then YOU became guilty of a suppressive act, and YOU would get declared. The list of suppressive acts have been around since at least the early 1960s (see the first ethics book).

    The simply fact that it is a published and enforced "suppressive act" to continue to communicate with any SP enforces the practice of disconnection no matter what else is or isn't written about it.

    Hubbard somewhere even stated that the "cancellation" of Fair Game and Disconnection was ONLY for PR reasons, and that the actions would continue happily along as they aways had.

    That any person can acually believe that Miscavige is doing anything different than what happened before is STUPID at best and knowingly LYING at the worst. Granted, Miscavige may have increased the severity of "ethics" since Hubbard kicked the bucket, but I don't doubt for a second that if Hubbard were alive and in control over the past 35 years that EXACTLY the same things would have happened in response to the events that transpired since then (mainly the Internet and the exposure of Scientology behaviors).

    Hubbard is the apple tree, and Miscavige is just an apple who has fallen off. :yes:

    These quotes are from the 1975 edition of "Introduction to Scientology Ethics", which was previously published in 1973 and 1968:

    HIGH CRIMES
    (SUPPRESSIVE ACTS)

    A SUPPRESSIVE PERSON or GROUP is one that actively seeks to suppress or damage Scientology or a Scientologist by Suppressive Acts.

    Suppressive Acts are acts calculated to impede or destroy Scientology or a Scientologist and which are listed at length below.

    Suppressive Acts are defined as actions or omissions undertaken to knowingly suppress, reduce or impede Scientology or Scientologists.

    B. DISAVOWAL, SPLINTERING, DIVERGENCE

    6. Continued adherence to a group pronounced a Suppressive Group by the Hubbard Communications Office.

    7. Aiding or abetting a person demonstrably guilty of Suppressive Acts in such acts.

    10. Continued membership in a divergent group.


    It has ALWAYS BEEN STANDARD to interpret the above High Crimes (aka "suppressive acts") as including "ANY COMMUNICATION with any declared SP". Any person declared as an SP is viewed as an ENEMY of the Church. No matter how you say it, it is long-standing tradition in the Church, based on MUCH LRH policy, that consorting with ANY ENEMY is NOT at all tolerated or viewed positively. An SP is ALWAYS considered as part of a "divergent group" and ALWAYS considered "demonstrably guilty of Suppressive Acts". For any Scientologist to even TALK to such a person is considered "aiding and abetting" that person.

    So, in accordance with these long-standing High Crimes, which have appeared in EVERY "Ethics Book" since it was first released, it has ALWAYS been a Suppressive Act to remain in communication with ANY declared SP. ALWAYS. Does THAT not make sense to you Sneakster? :duh:

    Granted, with each new release of the ethics book, many MORE "suppressive acts" have been added, though largely as a result of culling related information from Hubbard's various policies that were released AFTER the Ethics Book - and NOT because nasty Miscavige clones have been "adding to the wonderful pure tech of Ron".

    When I first got involved in Boston, and for the years between 1977-1983 while in the Sea Org, the idea of an SP was HORRIBLE. It was constantly impressed upon staff and public as a VERY BAD THING. And, it was ALWAYS viewed very negatively to remain in ANY communication with ANY SP. It was NEVER thought that one could "handle" a "declared SP". The ONLY option per the exact LRH tech was DISCONNECTION. There never was ANY other alternative. NEVER! That is common sense and quite obvious to any person with any degree of experience with REAL Scientology behaviors.

    If ANY person chose to remain in communication with a "declared SP", there was ONLY ONE result - you also would get declared, and the dominoes would continue to fall as each new person refused to cut communication with any SP. Regardless of any issue on disconnection or Fair Game, the above has ALWAYS been Standard Operating Procedure with Scientology.

    Anything else is LIES and PR and typical Scientology LRH-created BULLSHIT! :ohmy: :yes: :omg:

    There is also an extant LRH policy on Deptartment 3 (ethics) that very specifically states, "be sure to take out ALL the connections when declaring anyone as an SP". Meaning, to be sure to also declare any person connected to that newly declared SP (who remains connected and fails to disconnect).

    To make matters FAR worse, it is also a Suppressive Act to question or criticize ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY, no matter whether the criticisms are true or not. So, once any person does THAT, then he or she gets "declared as an SP", and the chain of connections and declares continues.

    The bottom line is that ANYTHING that might hurt Scientology in any way, regardless whether Scientology is wrong or not, is considered "evil" (suppressive). The blanket assumption is that Scientology is ALWAYS "right", and it must ALWAYS "be protected". SP Declares and disconnection follow naturally per policy to "help Scientology succeed and expand". Of course, they are much too stupid (over-indoctrinated) to notice that their continued "per policy" actions consistently make them out to be THE MAJOR IDIOTS of the modern era.

    Just another of many contradictions in Scientology. Hubbard says that if one follows LRH policy that Scientology will "expand". The TRUTH is that following LRH ethics and justice policies about SP declares and disconnection, when learned about truthfully by the public at large, creates much WORSE PR for Scientology and acts to HARM THEM even more than they would have if they never bothered to apply thge crazy LRH policies in the first place. Thus, the "footbullet" phenomena that is so common when following LRH advice on how to "help & expand Scientology".

    That any Scientology spokesperson can come out and state that "there is no such thing as disconnection" simply again demonstrates how much they can and do happily LIE and LIE and LIE whenever they imagine that it will "help" them. Thet never stop playing the LRH game of "mock-ups". What game is that? Just come out and say whatever you want to be viewed as "truth", using manipulative ARCU, keep saying it, over and over, and get enough people to agree so that it becomes "real". The big problem for Scientology being that there are now FAR too many existing reports and actual observations of events and situations that show what they assert to be true is actually FALSE. The game of Scientology "mock-ups" utterly fails when spitting directly in the face of easily observable FACTS! :ohmy:

    Scientology - where the stupid NEVER sleeps!
     
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  15. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

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    I would say that she would be off the hook if she went to the funeral. Did she?

    A few letters after 22 years doesn't show much bonding.

    I don't think his death has buried the issue.
     
  16. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Re: Tony O exposes Virginia Stewart's lies regarding disconnection (ESMB gets a menti


    It's sometimes hard to determine with certainty if a Scientologist is:

    a) A knowing liar.

    b) A deluded and/or delusional person who doesn't suspect they are lying.

    c) A wanker who gets off on Ron's spiritual pornography.

    d) A do-gooder who doesn't actually know good from bad.

    d) A drowning individual who desperately clings to a lead life-preserver called "tech".

    One thing that I have observed over the decades, however, is that Scientology makes liars out of everyone who joins.
     
  17. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

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    You know, I'd really like to know how the hell they do this.

    What do they do send out PI's who go knocking on people's doors and start asking them questions about Tony?

    I wouldn't answer any questions from someone who did that.

    And then yesterday reading about Jim Little's wife's mother, pounding on her door and demanding she sign something.

    How do you let people get away with this shit?

    Why answer their questions?

    Why sign their papers?

    Who the fuck are they?

    Any ex OSA here want to explain this, how they do it?

     
  18. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Re: Tony O exposes Virginia Stewart's lies regarding disconnection (ESMB gets a menti

    I'd like to see him burn his name into the history books so deep that it obliterates Hubbards and all that he created.
     
  19. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

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    :omg: That is so evil and so sick. I'm sorry I asked for a reference. I'm glad I don't live in L.A. anymore.
     
  20. Petey C

    Petey C Silver Meritorious Patron

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    It's a funny "religion" that makes people so cold.