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Featured Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology - PART ONE

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by HelluvaHoax!, Jan 14, 2011.

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  1. freethinker

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    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

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  2. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

    Bryan Seymour is such a Super Journalist. A few hours ago today, he posted this ~~

    Bryan Seymour
    7 hrs

    Every now and again Scientology tries to enlist real journalists to unwittingly promote it's propaganda arm, Freedom Magazine. See below my response to Editor Sei Kato's latest attempt here at Seven News in Australia...

    From: Seymour, Bryan
    Sent: Tuesday, 26 January 2016 9:49 AM
    To: ''
    Subject: Seven News

    Hi Sei,

    Our foreign editor Ric Carter passed on your letter and copy of Freedom Mag as soon as he received it.

    I’ve alerted all our newsrooms to do the same.

    The reason is simple.

    Freedom Magazine is a disgraceful publication that serves only to vilify those who expose the truth about Scientology.

    Your attack pieces on people including Alex Gibney, Lawrence Wright, Mike Rinder, Paul Haggis, Mark Headley, Jason Beghe and many others are appalling and represent an abuse of freedom of speech.

    Hate, viciousness and ignorance – these are the qualities that define Freedom Magazine.

    If you would like to discuss this further, I invite you to sit down with me and do an interview on camera. I invite you to also film the interview with your own crew so that you can be assured nothing will be taken out of context.

    Please let me know when will suit.



    Bryan Seymour
    Senior Journalist | Seven News
  3. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

    What altogether stunning clarity!

    Integrity. Scientologists clay demo the word and talk about it.

    Bryan Semour lives it.
  4. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

    Scientology had better stick with the NOI for approval. They're the only ones unabberated enough to "get it".

    This DB is merely a merchant of chaos, anyway...unlike that theta being Louis Farrakhan.
  5. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

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  6. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

    One wonders what followup there could possibly be after that creepy letter 29 years after someone bought a book. LOL

    The letter ends with "I would like to communicate with you"? Really? Why formally announce it, why not just start communicating?

    What did you want to communicate about?

    The reason you blew after reading the Dianetics book.

    What is there to communicate about?

    Ron says 'when in doubt communicate'!

    Wuttt? Who is Ron?

    Ron discovered Scientology.
    Ron says 'the only reason one gives up a study
    is that they have misunderstood words'.

    Ron seems to haver quite a bit to say to
    you about me. Why doesn't "Ron" just call me himself?

    Oh, Ron is very busy.

    Really? What is he doing?

    He is in outer space researching.
    Without a body.

    Now there's the real reason one
    gives up a study. It's not misunderstood
    words, buddy. It's that ridiculously
    idiotic bullshit that "Ron" tells you people.
    Like that whopper you just said where "Ron" is roaming through
    outer space without a body. Do you even hear what you're saying!?

    Okay, I totally get it! So, I still want to schedule
    a time to communicate with you.

    Isn't that what you just did? Communicate?

    No, but I mean communicate in the Ideal Org.

    What's ideal about it?

    Well, for starters, we can have all the
    staff surround you and block the doors
    if you try to leave without paying a lot of money.

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  7. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

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    I would like to flow affinity to this post.
  8. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

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    Scientology, the only religion that gives you a medal for being a dope, a t-shirt for giving them money, and a plaque to show your friends how proud you are to support a world without sanity. :yes:

  9. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

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    LOLOLOL, yeah exactly!

    I was going to mention that word "affinity" as another example of how Scientologists suffer from PCNS (Pedantic Cult Nerd Syndrome). For claiming they are the "authorities in communication" they are freakishly clumsy, inept and cringey in the simple art of talking. Because, they have been loaded down with so many cult terms, words, concepts, scales, axioms, tech, policies and TRs about how to communicate--they are literally drowning in "vias"--the very thing that the communication course boasts it cures, lol.

    I am reminded of the hard-to-believe story of the beautiful model who went on a first date with a well known Scientologist at Celebrity Center. Being a close friend at the time, the model confided in me what happened. Well, these were two creative, beautiful looking, sexually charged young people--so you can imagine how romantic their first date was!

    Their destination--a perfectly dreamy French restaurant--where they looked at the menu while flirting and giggling. Once the French waiter took their order and left, they were alone with just candlelight and the sublime promise of divine eroticism hanging like perfumed mist in the air. The handsome young man took her hand and said that he had something very special for her. The model's eyes twinkled with expectation as he reached under the table to retrieve it.

    Then he laid it down in front of her--Ron's book: "INTRODUCTION TO SCIENTOLOGY ETHICS". il est très romantique, non? lol

    He then revealed his romantic plan, that they begin working on "2D CONDITIONS" together. Hey, it was their first date, right? So, why not get Ron's 2D tech working right away and avoid all the DevT and downstats! lol

    That's right, you heard me. He wanted to be sure on the very first date to "get in" the "conditions" tech on their "2nd Dynamic". (uggghhhhh, line cringe!)

    Oh yeah--so that "...their affinity stats would uptrend towards the ideal scene".

    I don't know about anyone else, but just the thought of being in a romantic French restaurant with a sexy model and this book.....

    [​IMG] me a giant boner (in the theta universe) on this planet.
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  10. HelluvaHoax!

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    29 years later...the org letter registrar finally "sees" that the guy bought a book.

    That letter (above) should appear as the graphic (absent mass!) in the dictionary under the definition of "COM LAG".

    I happen to be familiar with this particular CF FOLDER. Here are some contents from other letters written to Brad Damis:

    And a later letter. . .

    And a later letter. . .

  11. HelluvaHoax!

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    Top 100 Stupid BIG LIES in Scientology


    From another thread discussing DIANETICS comes this gargantuan BIG LIE, direct from the sacred scripture of L. Ron Hubbard.

    In the 36 years after publishing DMSMH that Hubbard lived, he never corrected the boldfaced and easily provable lie that "Clears do not get colds".

    Every Scientologist in every org sees lots of Clears who have a cold.

    All the case supervisors, auditors and course supervisors around the world see a great many Clears with colds.

    Personally, in the decades that I spend in Scientology, years of which were spent Case Supervising and Auditing Scientologists, I'd estimate that 99 percent of the Clears I met, audited or C/Sed got colds

    Yet. . .

    If a student on course dared to disagree with "Clears do not get colds" they would be forced to go back and spend hours, days or weeks on looking for a misunderstood word that caused them to disagree with Hubbard.

    And the course supervisors and word clearers who are trying to "handle" them could be Clears who have a cold WHILE THEY ARE DEMANDING THAT THE SCIENTOLOGIST KEEP LOOKING FOR THEIR MISUNDERSTOOD WORD! LOL

    And if the student refuses to continue wasting time looking for "MU's", they would be routed to "Ethics" for discipline. Routed to Ethics by the Clears who have colds.

    And the Ethics officer (also a Clear) could have a bad cold too. And he would assign the student to do "lower conditions" and "write up their overts".

    Failing to forfeit his disagreement with Ron while in Ethics, the student would be ordered to pay for Sec Checking. And their Sec Check Auditor (a Clear) could take them in session every day with a cold.

    After months of expensive Sec Checks. the student could be ordered to a Committee of Evidence. The members of the committee deciding their fate could be Clears (with colds).

    And NOBODY in the word and NONE of the Clears with colds would think there anything even slightly unusual or out of place in slamming the student until he gives up his suppressive beliefs--that Ron was wrong about Clears never getting a cold.

    Anyone who thinks this is an exaggeration is invited to do the following:

    --go to any org in the world

    ---tell them you are interested in going Clear

    --Ask them if everything Ron said about Clear in DMSMH
    is 100 percent true. (they will tell you yes, with great certainty)

    ---tell them before you pay, you want to meet a real Clear first

    -- When you meet the Clear, ask them if they ever get colds after going Clear.

    -- Then ask them if they got a cold after Clear--didn't that mean that Ron was completely wrong?

    Then, write a Knowledge Report on Ron Hubbard for lying---and the Ethics Officer will r-factor you to take a break and go home while they "handle the whole situation". You're told to just wait and something will come in the mail shortly.

    You leave the org, super-uptone, thinking: "Wow, they must be sending me a COMMENDATION for Keeping Scientology Working!"

    Last edited: Jan 29, 2016
  12. OutToe83

    OutToe83 Patron with Honors

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    [Satire] I've often wondered about those 270 cases that Ron researched for his groundbreaking revelation in DMSMH.

    It's inconceivable to me that out of 270 Clears, a large percentage of them wouldn't have stayed with Ron in his quest to alleviate mankind's suffering. The desire to help one's fellow man is demonstrably a common trait even for wogs, even as loaded down as we are with our reactive mind. In fact, that's exactly how an awful lot of us got involved in Scn in the first place. So surely, the majority of the Original 270 would have eventually involved themselves in the Church of Scientology to bring Eternal Peace and Happiness to the planet----right? I mean, considering what they had gained, it's inconceivable that not just some but a lot of them would stay close to LRH.

    Somehow, I never met anyone who knew one of the Original 270--but I guess that's because I was only involved in the Church for less than 10 years in the 70's/80s, and was never on Staff--although I did a lot of volunteer work with staff.

    I know it's been 65 years since DMSMH was published, so maybe around 70 years since the Original Research produced those 270 Original Clears--but some of them would have been fairly young, and lots of wogs make it to their upper 90s still in good health, so surely ALL of the Clears would (that didn't fall to attrition of accidents or other untimely deaths), given that they aren't plagued by the vast majority of health issues that cause the elderly to deteriorate. Surely a decent percentage of the Original 270 are still alive......right?

    So let me put the question out to those of you who go back to the 50's, 60s, 70s or even 80s---who met one of those Original 270 Clears? Or, who met someone who worked with one, or who had a friend/co-worker who worked with one? Who knows someone who knew someone who knew one of the O-270?

    Surely some of the Original 270 made it into Sea Org? How could they NOT stand out as an inspiration (especially since they never got colds in freezing weather) to everyone on the crew?

    If there's not a list of Ron's 270 subjects--well, that's reasonable, because the study might have been handled confidentially---but surely those who later joined Ron's Church of Scientology would have talked about it. They were free to discuss it after the fact, right? Who knows what finally happened to them? Surely the passing of the last of the Original 270 should be a day to be memorialized, like the passing of the last WW1 Vet. Although, given the expected long lifespan of an Original Clear, it may not be for decades yet.

    So who on here knows anything about them? I apologize for my ignorance. Somehow the subject never came up while I was In--can't understand why. [/satire]
  13. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

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    I've thought about one thing often.

    The whole premise of GAT I & II is that LRH with the tech in his own hands, did in fact produce all the results he lectured and wrote about.

    The flaw is in you, incompetent you, who has not duplicated what he was doing. You can't do it!

    Ergo, why not have the COS and RTC just publicly present some of his products, some of the people who actually achieved these states while in the master's hands during the 50's and 60's.

    Yes, bring the homo novi and theta clears onto the stage at the Shrine Auditorium and parade them around. Let them speak for themselves; show what they got. After all, these states transcend body age . . . or so I've been told.

    I've never met any theta clears and I've met my share of old timers over the years. Nice people usually, just not what was sold to us sadly. :whistling:

    I knew double OT8 George Seidler, who began his training with Ron personally in '51 or so and attended many congresses along the way. He lived to 92 and died just recently. Nice man but sadly not exhibiting any remarkable OT abilities after all those years of devotion to Ron's tech. Not that I noticed.

    Oh, well . . . :shrug:
  14. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

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    My uncle did diane-netics around 1950 with LaFayette, and thought it was total bullshit. I think he was spot on.
  15. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

    I used my remote viewing skills to observe some of the original research that Ron did back then. Here's a picture of him auditing one of those 270 original research subjects.

  16. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

    One of his major findings was that there are 57 varieties.
  17. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

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    Are those little younger tomatoes on the plant the bigger tomatoes BT's?
  18. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

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    Here's what Ron says in Dianetics:

    One receives a bonus of increased health, happinessand longevity, an increase in longevity which is at least a hundred to one for every hour of therapy. ​

    So that means if you got 500 hours to go clear then it added 50,000 hours to your life or about 5 and 3/4 years. I'd say they would be dropping off fairly regularly about now.

    However, when on staff I carried a little pocket book in which I kept track of those on lines both staff and public who were past life Clears and past life Scientologists and what I found out was that going Clear was about as sure of a way of dying as stopping some high velocity lead because more than half were past lifers.

    ...or else...just maybe...given the percentages...the past life claims were bullshit...

    Incidentally, there was a very high concentration of Marilyn Monroes on lines, too.

    Which, if you think about it, is really, really stupid because I was Marilyn Monroe.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2016
  19. Ogsonofgroo

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  20. Lord Xenu

    Lord Xenu Patron Meritorious

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    This is very interesting, Freethinker and a subject close to my situation. Arnie Lerma has touched upon this as well as others but it is a subject that deserves it's own thread.
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