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Welcome Jonathan!

Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by Karen#1, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Please go stand in the corner and think about what you've done.
     
  2. BardoThodol

    BardoThodol Silver Meritorious Patron


    What about straight up and vertical?
     
  3. BardoThodol

    BardoThodol Silver Meritorious Patron

     
  4. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    My emphasis in the quote.

    Yes, but the point is the Scn connection won't come up unless you specifically ask for it. If you type in his real name and the trade(s) he engages in, you'll find him in appropriate sites but not ones like ESMB.

    Paul
     
  5. jonnyblade

    jonnyblade Patron

    Hi,

    Yes, way too easy to slide into it all. Reminds me a bit of the Anatomy of the Human Mind course where Ron claims to have 'taped out' the mind and how it works. How absurd and self absorbed! But, being the genius crackpot that he was there are many valid points regarding coercion, manipulation, influence, positioning, etc. It's only when you learn all of those mechanics do you see what they would like you to fall for. I remember learning the DEI scale in which you really just annoy the living crap out of your prospect until they just give in... but of course, Ron called it coming up to 'DESIRE!'. I'd rather DIE than DEI someone!

    I'll take some time and write up some more details but yes, it was a huge pain to get out of the WISE group as well. They had stolen nearly $7000.00 from me which I had on account with them and that is a whole other really pathetic story.

    Was it all a con? No, not really. It was basic stat keeping, accounting, advice on structure. Not a con, but a ripoff. Could've saved myself a hell of a lot of money by not hiring that group.
     
  6. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    I expect, like others here, you may keep learning from your experience.

    But thus far what do you think you did learn from this particular WISE / SCN experience?

    TG1
     
  7. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Just be glad you didn't spend $500,000 and 30 years of your life.
     
  8. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    Or 15 years.
     
  9. jonnyblade

    jonnyblade Patron

    Hi,

    Here's what happens with practitioners and doctors: They just got the living crap beat out of them going through school, passing boards, getting licensed, $150 - $200K in debt and are able to land a job for $12/hr. as say, a chiropractor. I'm not kidding. So, you find this WISE group, they serve up all of the benign parts of WISE / Scn., you are love bombed to death (you'd better be! you paid a lot to be love bombed!) and you are given organizational and business skills that are totally devoid in your training to become a doctor / practitioner. Everyone at the WISE group has drank the Kool-Aid, hell, they even give each other enemas with the Kool-Aid, and all the 'entheta' is completely and totally and utterly covered up and you, as a practitioner, as a doctor are starting to have some success from your application of some of your studies. You just paid $25000.00 to join this group and you are then a TRUE BELIEVER in what YOU are doing with WISE and Scn. You can't not be... you have too much invested and you have a boatload of debt and a business to run and a life to live, etc. BUT! it doesn't take long for that splinter in your mind to start inflaming that SOMETHING is wrong... and even though it's all over the Internet, you STILL decide to keep on trudging on because you are just too invested. It has become your Stable Datum. But then you start hearing more and more and more of the wicked 'entheta' and it slowly seeps through to where you start talking with your peers that you met at the group and you find out that 99.999% of them feel the same way... shit... we're in a CULT. I would sit around with some of my friends for hours on end counting the 'out-points'. I don't think its a power keg ready to blow but as natural healthcare practitioners, as chiropractors in this particular group, we were all very needy of help and in my strong opinion were totally taken advantage of.

    Hope that answers your question.

    All the best,
    Jonathan
     
  10. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    THAT is very good to know, jonnyblade. Thank you.
     
  11. jonnyblade

    jonnyblade Patron

    Hi,

    I've learned about my own vulnerabilities. Unfortunately, I've also come to learn that 'help' could be used in a sinister way. But above and beyond all, I've experienced a new level of compassion and understanding for people, especially those that have gone through this experience and that is why I am here with you now. I've met some of my most favorite people through Scn and I understand how they are stuck and cannot break free.

    Jonathan
     
  12. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well I hope you get your practice up to seeing 3-4 clients/hr - that'll earn you far better than $12/hr
     
  13. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Thank you! You have a great sense of humor.

    I agree, it probably wasn't all a con or let's just say the con had some workability to it, much stolen from elsewhere, so as not to be too easily recognized as such. The individuals, most of them, wanted to help you. Their stats and constant demands from the insatiable organization were diametrically opposed to that desire to help you as yourself and for what you needed. All for the group -- collectivism.
     
  14. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    The org obviously didn't get you on and through the PTSP Course fast enough.

    There's enough thought stopping tech in that one that you might have boomed your practice and gone OT!

    WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    :dancer:
     
  15. jonnyblade

    jonnyblade Patron

    THAT is super funny... they were constantly on me to get on that course!!! :biggrin:
     
  16. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes, sadly Jonathan, you have failed to apply your Us & Downs In Life course materials. For another 25K I'm sure we can make it all better.

    Please report at once to the SF E/O and get on the proper routing form so that you can save your eternity. Cause you know if your eternity is lost, well how will you go on?

    E/O
    "I see here that we issued a PTS declare on you. Have you decided to close your mind?"

    Jonathan

    "How am I supposed to do that?"

    E/O

    "Well, you just need to read KSW #1 and see the 2004 IAS Video of Tom Cruise and get on board."

    Jonathan

    "Sorry, movie stars in black turtle necks just creep me out."

    E/O

    "Scientology can HANDLE THAT!"

    Jonathan

    "I don't want to handle that."

    E/O

    "Hang on, I've got a routing form somewhere for that..."
     
  17. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Jonny, don't throw out any of your WISE materials, like promo and newsletters, business directories, etc. These are very much wanted!

    We could use them here
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/wanted-recent-wise-business-list.105978/

    and at this forum I volunteer with in exposing the front groups.
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=50.0

    One is up here
    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/World_Ins...prises_International_Business_Directory,_2006

    PM me if you want to know who to send /scan and email them to. :)
     
  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    corrections noted above.

    per golden rod, you are pts type H, thus you can't decide which really means you are not allowed to use critical thinking skills, question, or do any due diligence, which is all bypassed by Hard Sell, buy it now.
     
  19. Andtheyalllived

    Andtheyalllived Patron with Honors

    Perfectly explained formula/pattern. Here's what I got:

    Things had sucked for awhile, you were vulnerable, and you were part of a demographic that tends to be. And I hate when they spot a target that's still relatively lucrative even after internet search, South Park, etc. Which I'm sure Sindy had in mind asking about that scene. It's hard to pick em off the street these days, but trusted source, business connections, gonna get you out of the hole? Oh, yeah. Because it's not religion, It's not flower children on the streets of SF, it's people just like you. And you're vulnerable, so "let's do this thing!"

    Most of all, you're invested... You'd not only be back to where you started from, but you're poorer, and get to feel like a sucker.

    In the end, it's like a battered spouse. "It was so good in the beginning! I've been with him for awhile, and I paid off his debts! Sometimes he's nice to me! Some of it is workable!" (Another cringe word).

    Welcome, and congratulations.
    You're obviously in the right place.
     
  20. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat


    Just so you know, Jonny...

    You and the people who join the Sea Org have a lot in common.

    Give up everything and everyone you have had in your life to join this group....

    This is where you are. No matter what you see and what you experience, your whole nest egg is there.

    You have no choice.