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Why Scientology seems to work up to Clear?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by jea-su, Sep 3, 2014.

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  1. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron



    He had a Déjà vu today and mentioned it aloud.

    He was corrected by a homo novi, that seemed so very proud.

    “That’s not truly a déjà vu. Your mistaken I’m afraid.”

    And novi drew out the definition from a box that hubbard made.

    “When a novi perceives a circumstance that goes beyond the mind,”

    “And hears the circumstancee explain it in his kind,”

    “Novi pulls from the hubbard box the corrected truth defined,”

    “And pities the poor sapien because he’s oh so blind.”

    What a fantabulous device to have at one's beck and call,

    The hubbard box it will provide the truth to one and all.

    The hubbard box holds all there is to know about the know.

    Be sure to carry it along to every place you go.

    The lack wits have it oh so wrong with their running to and fro.

    With the hubbard box you can tell them all exactly where to go.
     
  2. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    Dere's an homo novis on dis thread?


    Ohhhhhh noes!

    :hide:
     
  3. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana

    "In the Buddhist context nirvana refers to the imperturbable stillness of mind after the fires of desire, aversion, and delusion have been finally extinguished.[SUP][1]"

    as I highlight in red,

    once the concept of "clear" as used by hubbard has been extingished, by a person,

    they will now see it as a hellvahoax. :roflmao:

    much a do about nothing. :thumbsup: :laugh:

    For hubbard sure made much a do about clear & ot,

    when it is much a do about nothing. :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:




    [/SUP]
     
  4. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    Well, Hubbard certainly didn't attain any advanced or enlightened state.
     
  5. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    so, is it a hellvahoax?

    that question would be there is no clear or ot?

    Simple yes or no, will suffice by you Claire?
     
  6. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    LOL. What? U don't like the tone level Serenity of Ambiguity?
     
  7. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    ..

    All these people? The same?

    Are u talking about Ron and Buddha and Jesus and Tommy Davis?

    Helpful Tip: Moar clay.
     
  8. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    I useta eat playdough when I wuz a kidlet. Does that count?
     
  9. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    Thought HelluvaHoax was a poster hereabouts.
     
  10. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on



    Miraculous!

    U musta used an industrial strength CDS to somehow squeeze those two screaming contradictions into the same little post.



    CDS - noun. (abbr): Cognitive Dissonance Shoehorn.
     
  11. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

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    Dianetics does NOT have the goal to overcome desire as does Buddhism.
    Dianetics has the goal to erase the reactive mind (engrams).

    Dianetics has goals to SERVE the same self that nirvana supposedly extinguishes.
    After going "clear" the "clear" is supposed to be FULL OF DESIRE for OT levels.
    OT levels which serve the self (some might say ego), that Buddhist practices and/or realization is there to extinguish.
     
  12. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    *$cientology is the antithesis of Buddhism. They are mutually exclusive. $cientology is a lie, Buddhism is a path of self enlightenment.

    • What is Buddhism?
    http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm

    Buddhism is a religion to about 300 million people around the world. The word comes from 'budhi', 'to awaken'. It has its origins about 2,500 years ago when Siddhartha Gotama, known as the Buddha, was himself awakened (enlightened) at the age of 35.

    • Is Buddhism a Religion?

    To many, Buddhism goes beyond religion and is more of a philosophy or 'way of life'. It is a philosophy because philosophy 'means love of wisdom' and the Buddhist path can be summed up as:

    (1) to lead a moral life,
    (2) to be mindful and aware of thoughts and actions, and
    (3) to develop wisdom and understanding.

    • How Can Buddhism Help Me?

    Buddhism explains a purpose to life, it explains apparent injustice and inequality around the world, and it provides a code of practice or way of life that leads to true happiness.

    • Why is Buddhism Becoming Popular?

    Buddhism is becoming popular in western countries for a number of reasons, The first good reason is Buddhism has answers to many of the problems in modern materialistic societies. It also includes (for those who are interested) a deep understanding of the human mind (and natural therapies) which prominent psychologists around the world are now discovering to be both very advanced and effective.

    • Who Was the Buddha?

    Siddhartha Gotama was born into a royal family in Lumbini, now located in Nepal, in 563 BC. At 29, he realised that wealth and luxury did not guarantee happiness, so he explored the different teachings religions and philosophies of the day, to find the key to human happiness. After six years of study and meditation he finally found 'the middle path' and was enlightened. After enlightenment, the Buddha spent the rest of his life teaching the principles of Buddhism — called the Dhamma, or Truth — until his death at the age of 80.

    • Was the Buddha a God?

    He was not, nor did he claim to be. He was a man who taught a path to enlightenment from his own experience.

    • Do Buddhists Worship Idols?

    Buddhists sometimes pay respect to images of the Buddha, not in worship, nor to ask for favours. A statue of the Buddha with hands rested gently in its lap and a compassionate smile reminds us to strive to develop peace and love within ourselves. Bowing to the statue is an expression of gratitude for the teaching.

    • Why are so Many Buddhist Countries Poor?

    One of the Buddhist teachings is that wealth does not guarantee happiness and also wealth is impermanent. The people of every country suffer whether rich or poor, but those who understand Buddhist teachings can find true happiness.

    • Are There Different Types of Buddhism?

    There are many different types of Buddhism, because the emphasis changes from country to country due to customs and culture. What does not vary is the essence of the teaching — the Dhamma or truth.

    • Are Other Religions Wrong?

    Buddhism is also a belief system which is tolerant of all other beliefs or religions. Buddhism agrees with the moral teachings of other religions but Buddhism goes further by providing a long term purpose within our existence, through wisdom and true understanding. Real Buddhism is very tolerant and not concerned with labels like 'Christian', 'Moslem', 'Hindu' or 'Buddhist'; that is why there have never been any wars fought in the name of Buddhism. That is why Buddhists do not preach and try to convert, only explain if an explanation is sought.

    • Is Buddhism Scientific?

    Science is knowledge which can be made into a system, which depends upon seeing and testing facts and stating general natural laws. The core of Buddhism fit into this definition, because the Four Noble truths (see below) can be tested and proven by anyone in fact the Buddha himself asked his followers to test the teaching rather than accept his word as true. Buddhism depends more on understanding than faith.

    • What did the Buddha Teach?

    The Buddha taught many things, but the basic concepts in Buddhism can be summed up by the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path.

    • What is the First Noble Truth?

    The first truth is that life is suffering i.e., life includes pain, getting old, disease, and ultimately death. We also endure psychological suffering like loneliness frustration, fear, embarrassment, disappointment and anger. This is an irrefutable fact that cannot be denied. It is realistic rather than pessimistic because pessimism is expecting things to be bad. lnstead, Buddhism explains how suffering can be avoided and how we can be truly happy.

    • What is the Second Noble Truth?

    The second truth is that suffering is caused by craving and aversion. We will suffer if we expect other people to conform to our expectation, if we want others to like us, if we do not get something we want,etc. In other words, getting what you want does not guarantee happiness. Rather than constantly struggling to get what you want, try to modify your wanting. Wanting deprives us of contentment and happiness. A lifetime of wanting and craving and especially the craving to continue to exist, creates a powerful energy which causes the individual to be born. So craving leads to physical suffering because it causes us to be reborn.

    • What is the Third Noble Truth?

    The third truth is that suffering can be overcome and happiness can be attained; that true happiness and contentment are possible. lf we give up useless craving and learn to live each day at a time (not dwelling in the past or the imagined future) then we can become happy and free. We then have more time and energy to help others. This is Nirvana.

    • What is the Fourth Noble Truth?

    The fourth truth is that the Noble 8-fold Path is the path which leads to the end of suffering.

    • What is the Noble 8-Fold Path?

    In summary, the Noble 8-fold Path is being moral (through what we say, do and our livelihood), focussing the mind on being fully aware of our thoughts and actions, and developing wisdom by understanding the Four Noble Truths and by developing compassion for others.

    • What are the 5 Precepts?

    The moral code within Buddhism is the precepts, of which the main five are: not to take the life of anything living, not to take anything not freely given, to abstain from sexual misconduct and sensual overindulgence, to refrain from untrue speech, and to avoid intoxication, that is, losing mindfulness.

    • What is Karma?

    Karma is the law that every cause has an effect, i.e., our actions have results. This simple law explains a number of things: inequality in the world, why some are born handicapped and some gifted, why some live only a short life. Karma underlines the importance of all individuals being responsible for their past and present actions. How can we test the karmic effect of our actions? The answer is summed up by looking at (1) the intention behind the action, (2) effects of the action on oneself, and (3) the effects on others.

    • What is Wisdom?

    Buddhism teaches that wisdom should be developed with compassion. At one extreme, you could be a goodhearted fool and at the other extreme, you could attain knowledge without any emotion. Buddhism uses the middle path to develop both. The highest wisdom is seeing that in reality, all phenomena are incomplete, impermanent and do no constitute a fixed entity. True wisdom is not simply believing what we are told but instead experiencing and understanding truth and reality. Wisdom requires an open, objective, unbigoted mind. The Buddhist path requires courage, patience, flexibility and intelligence.

    • What is Compassion?

    Compassion includes qualities of sharing, readiness to give comfort, sympathy, concern, caring. In Buddhism, we can really understand others, when we can really understand ourselves, through wisdom.

    • How do I Become a Buddhist?

    Buddhist teachings can be understood and tested by anyone. Buddhism teaches that the solutions to our problems are within ourselves not outside. The Buddha asked all his followers not to take his word as true, but rather to test the teachings for themselves. ln this way, each person decides for themselves and takes responsibility for their own actions and understanding. This makes Buddhism less of a fixed package of beliefs which is to be accepted in its entirety, and more of a teaching which each person learns and uses in their own way.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2014
  13. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Well I'm waiting on Marty to clear this all up. :yes:
     
  14. Mystic

    Mystic Crusader

    And then there is The Path of Dharma within to follow after one enlightens.
     
  15. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    * However, Dianetics (and Scn) DOES have the goal for you to overcome your desire for MEST & money.
     
  16. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    ...

    Apology for slight thread derail, couldn't resist. . .

    That perfectly good idiom ("...you're good people") always reminds me of my favorite wholetrack TV show, MARKAB JEOPARDY.


    MARKAB JEOPARDY CONTESTANT
    Okay, Alex, I'll take the category "Teegeack Trivia" for 2000.

    PAST TRACK TREBEK
    Alright! The answer is..........
    "Bill, you're good people."

    MARKAB JEOPARDY CONTESTANT
    Um..... "What's a super-theta way to validate Bill
    after he successfully completed Xenu's 36-day R6
    implant and now is loaded up with over 100,000 different BTs?
    " ​
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2014
  17. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    It just reads like scientology builds, "you can't get there from here", into your case.
     
  18. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Free Being Me, thanks for the overview of Buddhism!

    I have updated it so Scientologists can gain full conceptual understanding.....

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

    What is [STRIKE]Buddhism[/STRIKE] Scientology?

    [STRIKE]Buddhism[/STRIKE] Scientology is a religion to about 300 million people around the world. The word comes from '[STRIKE]budhi[/STRIKE]', [STRIKE]'to awaken[/STRIKE]' buddy, with its origins in the phrase: "Hey, buddy, when we were going through your trash we found a receipt for a credit card that you hid from us when we were asking you for donations."

    • Is [STRIKE]Buddhism[/STRIKE] Scientology a Religion?

    [STRIKE]To many, Buddhism goes beyond religion and is more of a philosophy or 'way of life'. It is a philosophy because philosophy 'means love of wisdom' and the Buddhist path can be summed up as:
    [/STRIKE] Yes and no. It depends who you are surveying and which "go buttons" we find that make people want to donate more money.

    • How Can [STRIKE]Buddhism[/STRIKE] Scientology Help Me?

    [STRIKE]Buddhism explains a purpose to life, it explains apparent injustice and inequality around the world, and it provides a code of practice or way of life that leads to true happiness.[/STRIKE] LOL, nonstandard or "Dead Horse" question. Ask not what Scientology can do for me but what you, the being, can do for Scientology (on this planet).

    • Was the [STRIKE]Buddha[/STRIKE] Commodore a God?

    [STRIKE]He was not, nor did he claim to be. He was a man who taught a path to enlightenment from his own experience.[/STRIKE] Information about God is on the 8th Dynamic and OT VIII. If you are given this information before paying for it, God says that your "exchange will go out" and you will "go criminal" so our religion refuses to discuss it. Even if someone does pay for it, we won't tell them anyways because of religious scripture about using the "Mystery Sandwich" to get our Gross Income stats up.


    • Is [STRIKE]Buddhism[/STRIKE] Scientology Scientific?

    [STRIKE]Science is knowledge which can be made into a system, which depends upon seeing and testing facts and stating general natural laws. The core of Buddhism fit into this definition, because the Four Noble truths (see below) can be tested and proven by anyone in fact the Buddha himself asked his followers to test the teaching rather than accept his word as true. Buddhism depends more on understanding than faith.[/STRIKE] Obviously yes. Otherwise Ron would not have used the word "science" in DMSMH and the word "Scientology" itself sounds like way science-y and like totally technical and some stuff.


    What is compassion? [STRIKE]Compassion includes qualities of sharing, readiness to give comfort, sympathy, concern, caring. In Buddhism, we can really understand others, when we can really understand ourselves, through wisdom.[/STRIKE] Compassion is a low tone level, around "sympathy" and other degraded valences.

    • How do I Become a [STRIKE]Buddhist[/STRIKE] Scientologist?

    [STRIKE]Buddhist teachings can be understood and tested by anyone. Buddhism teaches that the solutions to our problems are within ourselves not outside. The Buddha asked all his followers not to take his word as true, but rather to test the teachings for themselves. ln this way, each person decides for themselves and takes responsibility for their own actions and understanding. This makes Buddhism less of a fixed package of beliefs which is to be accepted in its entirety, and more of a teaching which each person learns and uses in their own way.[/STRIKE]
    Typically by using charge cards or taking home equity loans.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2014
  19. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    you have me :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: on that one, how so true it actually is.

    reminds me of one of those CCH's commands:

    Give me that [STRIKE]hand[/STRIKE] credit card