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Would *you* ever go back?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Magoo, Jan 15, 2008.

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  1. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yeah, it's a state with no compassion. Totally self-determined. You can see when TC talks about psychiatry how glib he is yet he knows he is right but you feel he is fighting like a nut and has no love in his voice. TC and DM sound like a bunch of kids in the boy scouts. No brains or power, just that weird power trip you describe. Sick.
     
  2. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Hi Alan,

    I just got a copy of the Clean Slate procedure from your site. I've never tried it, so thought I'd put it into a Robot Auditor module and try it out on myself. It's a bit of work, but I find it much more comfortable being audited like that now than simply trying to run stuff solo.

    I haven't even started making up the screens yet, and I don't know how much I will slant it to new people or just myself. For instance, I made up a module to run Power Processing (not Va) a month or so ago, and although it worked OK there was no way I could make it workable on someone who wasn't already a well-trained auditor. But the several modules that I do have online are usable by people who aren't well-trained auditors, so maybe this will work out for them and maybe it won't.

    I can't make it available to anyone else for copyright reasons (your copyright, not mine), but for interest's sake I will post my results from using it in this form.

    Paul
     
  3. nw2394

    nw2394 Silver Meritorious Patron

    I understand.

    To use your terminology as best I can, got any good set ups for dealing with "team mates" stuck in an "evil being universe" who have been, er, probably mis-repaired to the point that the significances have been run out of the mass?

    Don't seem to be much to do about that except let it all turn on, as in "Ye ha, once more into the breach" kind of approach!

    Nick
     
  4. ExScnDude

    ExScnDude Patron with Honors

    That's a fact, Alan. All in all the effect took about 5 years to run out. Fortunately for me, my life stats went way up after I left Scientology and as a result it was easy for me to finally spot the insanity of it.

    Once you have spent some time being true to yourself and your own goals, the deleterious effects of lots of sec-checking (I'm speaking for myself only here) seem to fade away.
     
  5. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    I had quickie grades as a student's pc in 1969, then Quad Grades, then Expanded Grades.

    You could say I am all graded out. :duh:
     
  6. Fancy

    Fancy Patron Meritorious

    HI Magoo.

    I am talking to one trying to handle my father's local account at the org.

    My father said get the money back but I am sure they would not have that much. I told him the rules about not going back again and he said get the money back.

    I know they will probably not have it so I might take it out and sell the books and stuff. He said he would want to see them.

    I tried to avoid taking the product but tried to do an exchange to give the account to someone for money. Alas I should have known better. Call me brain dead but she tried to sell me the Basic Package and I wanted a trade with someone in the org for the account.

    That lead into the alter is of the tech in the email which she says I am listeing to someone like I can't think for myself.

    This person lied in an incident so she sold her soul. Basically I know she is nice but she still sold her soul.

    There was nothing of valid I could add to the CBS and the stress would have been too high for me to deal with. As well as they do alter what is.

    I still have not crossed the bridge myself to get a refund. I think part of it is due to abuse syndrome and the others that I really did love unwisely.

    I no longer read the other forums and only check in here and in the freezone. I work on my art when I feel ok.

    Yes the wheels of time moves on and I expect in time I will move to where I need to be.

    Barb

     
  7. beyond_horizons

    beyond_horizons Patron Meritorious

    These message boards are the closest I actually got to the subject after several decades off and on with it. Learned tons more about it here than there.

    So I guess wouldn't know where to return to other than occasionally returning to here!
    :D
     
  8. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    barb---

    Hey, if your Dad has Money "on account" (Like a Savings Account with Scientology) GET THE MONEY BACK!!!!

    Join Pre-Paid Legal, if YOU don't want the hassle, and just make sure they
    understand fully the difference in money used (Services taken) and
    Money on Account: That IS his money, and IF it's still there, ask them
    to get it.

    They'll write to Scientology---and there's a good chance you'll get it.
    Don't waste it on buying more books---my suggestion.

    Good luck with it, and say "hi" to your Dad :wink:

    My best,

    Tory/Magoo~~
     
  9. Fancy

    Fancy Patron Meritorious

    I will tell him about that. He is in a adult home and knows he will not get any more auditing in the church and I have told him of the alterations.

    He said to get the money back but I am pretty dang sure the org would not have the cash.

    The next time he calls I will tell him.

    Barb
     
  10. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    I'd hardly be the one to ask about auditing availibility, but, if he's in a home and would like it, then what the hell. The options Ralph is offering with his C-meter and the possibilities using a laptop/PDA would be worth looking into.

    Certainly they'd be things that would be easily offset by the 'money on account' and, *for christ sake, it's *his* money!!!*

    Zinj
     
  11. Rawl

    Rawl Patron

    As I just said on another thread, I didn't see it that way.
    I didn't and don't see anything wrong with that piece.

    You've seen successes and failures in Scientology.
    You've seen successes and failures in real life.

    I think if someone is "mind-controlled or delusional" as you described yourself during your Scn years, they will be by one thing or another whether it's family, friends, societal mores or Scientology. I don't think the blame lies entirely with Scientology for your own experience.


    I'm the "PTS to the middle classes" TC was calling a spectator
    in that piece, I'm not active in the FSM or VM or staff or SO fields
    any longer. Good for him for taking us on.

    I really thought nothing of TC jumping on the couch or standing his ground when he got sprayed with water or whatever. He seems to go from success to success. I don't know that I could come to know the mind of any celebrity from what I read in the press, but he seems to have integrity.

    As a Scientologist, I don't pay too much attention to TC movie-celebrity. TC Scientologist certainly echoed the party-line and was listened to and admired in the IAS event.

    There are a lot of questions the critic community asks that need answered, some things are concerns. But by and large, the 99% tittle-tattle makes it easy to dismiss what is written by the critics as moronic hogwash. Stay focused, push on real issues, forget the tabloid nonsense. You're better than that.



     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2008
  12. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Rawl,

    As an experienced Scientologist, you'd be aware of the Fair Game Law, particularly the first half of the Fair Game Law: "Trick , lie to," and you'd also be aware of the policy of applying battle tactics, with the #1 tactic of battle being deviousness and deception.

    Tom Cruise is a pampered celebrity, who was asked to give a pep talk to the rank and file, a rank and file with whom he has little in common.

    What's your excuse Rawl?

    Do you really not know, or are you just pretending not to know?
     
  13. George Glass

    George Glass Patron

    That sounds like you're rationalizing maltreatment, stating that it was, "going to happen, anyway."

    I don't think that an assumed inevitability of an event, regardless of whatever actual statistical validity applies to it, justifies its perpetration or diminishes the responsibility of the perpetrator.
     
  14. Colleen K. Peltomaa

    Colleen K. Peltomaa Silver Meritorious Patron


    Lionheart, what an interesting viewpoint! I'm treating negative emotions as if they were negative emotions and looking at the flow and giving it a neutral acknowledgement in the attempt to remain in a state of equanimity.

    What you describe sounds to me like when I purposely watch one of those GPM movies just so I can get the thrill of being mildly restimulated.

    That is a new idea to me, being ashamed without any charge attached. I'm still rolling that one around in my head. I guess to me charge creates negative emotions, or they are handlocked in some way.
     
  15. Fancy

    Fancy Patron Meritorious

    I can't count the number of strokes he had and He can't communicate very well. I often have to guess at what he is trying to say.

    He sometimes writes it when he can. He said he wanted the money back and I made it clear that means no church ever again.

    I also told him they probably don't have the cash as well. Local org in the past could not keep the phone on.

    The person I was talking to did not answer me. I know she is a good person but she lied to the national news once to protect the church. That bothers me. It was better today no comment.

    Barb
     
  16. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Don't worry about that, it's not your problem. They will find the cash. They were willing to take it for no service, and if it gets sent uplines then this is what needs to be handled. I know it feels hard, when you think of the staff slaving away in a lower org, but that is how it is right now. And your Dad had every right to ask for it back. Let's hope it all changes soon. :)
     
  17. Rawl

    Rawl Patron

    Hello George,

    No, it's not the track I was aiming at. I didn't state it well.
    Basically I was riffing on the "mind-controlled" label.

    I just mean that it's easy for someone to regret an association
    or a relationship or an action and say "well, I was just influenced"
    by them. The outrage and moral indignation has often little to do with
    the actions of the other party.

    Like an ex-lover's tiff.

    That's how I read almost all ex-Scn war
    stories, "he said, she said" no substance, really.



     
  18. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Almost all? So some of the stories you find compelling? I guess the fact that the LRH lied about himself and the Church perpetuates those lies is fine with you? That families are broken apart in the name of "disconnection" is OK by you. That COB lies under oath is OK by you? That COB is altering the tech is OK too?

    I'd like to understand how you rationalize continuing your support.
     
  19. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Rawl is a "good" $cientologist and can rationalize anything.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=54605&postcount=2
     
  20. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    You know I was a good Scientologist too until a month ago. But I had never looked at all the information available on the net. To have looked at it all and to characterize the brutality and lies as no more than a mere lover's tiff is really beyond me. It is mind-boggling in fact. That's why I ask him about it. I'd like to understand how he manages to maintain the charade. Ah, well, it just dawned on me, perhaps it's his job to be here. How about enlightening us Rawl?