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You are being dis-informed about radiation in general

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Rmack, Mar 18, 2011.

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    IMMORTAL Patron Meritorious

    Agreed. And, it is a horrible situation.

    Thanks to everyone here for the information about this. It's technical but fascinating to me.
  2. shadow

    shadow Patron with Honors

    Chocolate is my favorite to treat anything. Anything at all.:thumbsup:

    Back to the subject...

    I have been watching this unfold and really feeling badly for those who have had to do absolutely everything they can to cool the reactors with no electricity to run pumps and no back-up generators. I can only imagine how difficult it has been for the people who staff that facility to try to reduce the impact of the damage, knowing what the worst case could be.

    Skeptchicks has a series of interviews with an expert in nuclear power... he is the father of one of the skeptchicks-Evelyn.
  3. shadow

    shadow Patron with Honors

    First-you should always get a second opinion on anything that does not set right with you, and you may have additional treatment options or even wait and monitor options.

    Not sure what your full diagnosis is because you did not supply enough information. Hyperthyroidism can be secondary to other causes and be temporary so a wait and monitor approach can be taken if it is not severe and you are tolerating the affects.

    If you have hyperthyroidism that is severe, it is hard on the heart and comes with high blood pressure and irregular heartbeat which can lead to congestive heart failure or atrial fibrillation (rapid heart rate that does not pump blood). You need to take this very seriously. The physical affects of hyperthyroidism can be controlled with beta blockers, etc. to protect your heart health, while you are either waiting for a temporary hyperthyroidism to clear up, until a treatment plan for the hypothyroidism is established and executed.

    If you have developed Graves disease, it will get worse with time and needs to be addressed. At the very worst, if you end up having the thyroid removed or destroyed, that is not the end of the world (some docs will do a partial removal if indicated). Thyroid meds are well tolerated for a lifetime, but the initial dosing must be closely monitored and regular follow-ups are needed.

    My family history includes hypothyroidism and my mother has been on meds for 40 years, my sis and I for about 20 years. Because This was the first time I ever needed any long term treatment, I was resentful, but then realized that I was lucky that I just had to take a simple pill everyday. Many people have much more to deal with.

    Whatever you do, find a doctor you can trust and do not settle for one that brushes off your concerns or rushes you to decisions.
  4. Very good advice, Shadow! :goodposting: I don't in any way disagree with you.

    In addition to what you have said, I would like to point out that all the heart symptoms described can also be caused by a normal progression of good old fashioned peri-menopause during the 5 to 15 years leading up to menopause, or by going through menopause...which is for sure a temporary transition. And temporary fluctuating thyroid function as well. You'd be surprised how many people don't know this! :)

    Doing a lot of research on your own and getting several professional opinions is always a wise course of action for any medical health issue, before choosing a specific treatment. Knowledge is Power! :) Good luck with it all! :thumbsup:
  5. Thrak

    Thrak Gold Meritorious Patron

    I saw a piece about Chernobyl that said thousands died getting that situation under control. They said they had to start sending in people because the radiation was so high robots could not function. It's tragic but thousands are already dead and unfortunately this is one of those situations where people will have to sacrifice it all. It is a national and international emergency. We can only hope whatever additional loss of life is minimal.
  6. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Yes, the corrupt bastards that built this set-up at that location against competent advice and at to too low a standard of design have a lot to answer for.:angry:

  7. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Thanks Shadow and Sweetness.
    I have borderline hyperthyroidism, long term, which is complicated by other medications. I'm getting a second opinion soon, it's just that the likely outcome is the same - radiation injection. I just don't want to do that to my body when even various doctors can't determine the true cause of the symptoms (may not be caused by hyperthyroidism).
    Anyway I am not derailing this thread with my medical concerns....just interested if anyone knows more about the effects of that injection. :)
  8. Similar?

    Just a thought, Kathy had her parathyroids out and talked about it on a thread her or Good Twin to see if they can share anything useful. I know not the same issue, but may be some correlation. They may have useful info to share.

    Big Hugs to you! Important stuff is not a derail! :D
  9. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    special gear

  10. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

  11. shadow

    shadow Patron with Honors

    More derail...
    I was having hot flashes every 1/2 hour and during them, my heart rate and blood pressure would spike to some pretty scary levels. No wonder I felt like sh*t. I am one of those that the risks of hormone replacement therapy is worth it, but, my doc keeps me on the lowest level that works and I go off them for a couple months each year to see if they are still needed. This stuff is about managing risks and benefits, ] as you say becoming knowledgable and being active in your healthcare.

    Back to our regularly scheduled programming...
  12. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Because the government (worldwide) don't want the public to think about the Millions of litres of water that was used to fill building 1 or that building 3 released radioactive steam and core is exposed. The Japanese literally have to wait hours for water to refill the ponds used for cooling. This is a horrific disaster.

    Even (bitter rival) China has sent a hospital ship.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2011
  13. Student of Trinity

    Student of Trinity Silver Meritorious Patron

    As a professional physicist who knows all about (well, some about) radiation and nuclei and whatnot, I have to say that most of the people on this thread ...

    ... seem to know what they are talking about.

    I mean, WTF?!? From the title, I'm afraid I was expecting tinfoil hat stuff. But Rmack is quite right, and so is everybody else, as far as my own knowledge can tell.

    Nuclear physics. Internet message board.

    An internet message board about Scientology, even.

    And people are not full of crap?

    I trust people here are familiar enough with the internet to appreciate that my surprise is no insult to the community here, but fully understandable. Believe me, this is not usual.
  14. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    Thank you student, we aim to please :yes:

    I too have enjoyed the high level of discussion.
  15. Ladybird

    Ladybird Silver Meritorious Patron

    I agree. This thread is much more useful than the "news" on TV! :tvhappy:
  16. Thrak

    Thrak Gold Meritorious Patron

    It's funny because many people who get involved in scn aren't stupid. I can only speak for myself but I didn't see any existing religion that made much sense to me, and scn at least did acknowledge that there was a universe out there and I still believe we have no idea how this whole thing called life got started and it is so frickin weird anything seems possible.

    But really one of the hardest things to believe about scn, when you see it up close, it that it is all a con. It just doesn't seem possible that that many people could be conned. I guess the whole subject is a study of the human mind and I hope the lessons learned will not be forgotten even though they probably will be.

    Anyway back to radiation. I hope those pumps still work when they get the power hooked up.
  17. Rmack

    Rmack Van Allen Belt Sunbather

    Remember the point of my OP, there are two kinds of radiation poisoning; exposure and contamination. It's more complicated than just a level of radiation number.

    I'm not sure just how much radioactive contamination is generated in an open-air nuclear burst, but I've heard rumors of things like everyone who worked on this one John Wayne film that was shot very near a site where atomic bombs were tested died of cancer-including John Wayne.

    Perhaps our specialists, like GoNuclear, or Student of Trinity could elaborate on the relative amounts of airborne contaminates in bomb tests compared to what this disaster is generating, or what it could generate if it goes completely China Syndrome.

    And after determining that, we probably also need a meteorologist to assess how far and wide and long these contaminates might travel in the atmosphere.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2011
  18. Lohan2008

    Lohan2008 Gold Meritorious Patron


    It is not hard to apply critical thinking,,, if most of us have gone through questioning how we got involved in cult behaviour and to leave with nothing. You have to learn to stand on you own feet.

    * Does anyone know how much nuclear material is in Fukushima reactor 1 or 3 ?

    Damn! looked up magma (rock): Nuclear material is hot enough to "melt" rock, worried about material from number 3 reactor going through floor and hitting underground water.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2011
  19. LOL Trin! Just as I was about to start fashioning a really BIG tinfoil hat for myself! :lol:

    I really appreciate the way many regular posters here can clearly communicate correct information as well as their thoughts, :thumbsup:
    and tend not to shoot their mouths off when they don't know the data. :biglove:

    There are many well-educated, well read, good thinkers here! :happydance: