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Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
It wouldn't surprise me if CofS was behind that but I can't discern that from the opening post. What makes you think it was CofS? I know they have a lot of hooks and tentacles into Clearwater gov't but I still cannot tell for sure.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
There is an older couple in my Neighborhood that I just love to pieces. Really, kind & loving people....[..] Cowardly Bastards. You know if you had asked, she would have fed you, too.

:sad:

This reminds me of the early days of the late Shawn Lonsdale 's photographing the homeless there and being harassed by the cult and becoming a target of the cult.

Someone should also get her some free legal advise at the community law clinic or legal aid office. Something is not right about what the health dept is doing to her.

((HUGGS)) to them for me, please. They are in my thoughts and prayers.

Mary McConnell
 

Takin Time

Patron with Honors
She had been getting letters (unsigned), telling her to "stop feeding these people." Today the signed C&D letter arrived from the City of Clearwater. She was threatened with breaking "Health Food Laws", the same laws that cover restaurants.
She might not be breaking Health Food Laws. She should get some legal advice on this. There are places that will give pro bono advice to others.

Florida has the "Sunshine Law". Whomever was making those complaints to the city that caused them to write a C&D letter... those complaints are public information. Emails or phone notes or letters.

Your friend can request to the City of Clearwater to send her a copy of all of the complaints they received about the feeding of homeless in Coachman Park.

Please recommend strongly that she get this information.

In fact, anyone can request that information. Hint hint hint!!!
 

klidov

Silver Meritorious Patron
She might not be breaking Health Food Laws. She should get some legal advice on this. There are places that will give pro bono advice to others.

Florida has the "Sunshine Law". Whomever was making those complaints to the city that caused them to write a C&D letter... those complaints are public information. Emails or phone notes or letters.

Your friend can request to the City of Clearwater to send her a copy of all of the complaints they received about the feeding of homeless in Coachman Park.

Please recommend strongly that she get this information.

In fact, anyone can request that information. Hint hint hint!!!

I guess at 9:00 a.m., I will be hunting some public records. And it will be my pleasure to do so. *slow burn*

This couple is elderly. They may not want to invite drama into there lives. HOWEVER, I will sign a notarized statement that I have in fact not only helped her deliver food, but that I have helped her search for the missing homeless.

I have been both namefag'd & facefag'd. And guess what? The Sun still rises, I haven't gotten so much as a C&D letter, and the Cult cannot prove I have done a thing to them.

I have the time, I have the motives, and being a German/Scot (American born) means I can be pretty damn tenacious when motivated.

My crimes?

Caring about ppl.

Assisting ppl whenever I can.

And loathing a Cult to the point of wanting it to be a brief paragraph in a History book before my eldest Grandchild is out of grade school.

Oh, and OSA? (.....if your lurking?) guess what?

I tell all my friends, and ppl who care, what I do. And guess what? They are telling all of their friends too.

My final crimes?


I tell the friends that I care about who are in same-sex relationships what Elron says about homosexuals. And provide dox.


I tell my handicapped & disabled friends what Elron said about them. And provide Dox.

I tell STRANGERS what you do, and provide Dox.

Myadvice? Get out now, go to the Feds & tell what you know. NOW. While you can still cop a plea deal.

Or, stay on a sinking ship.

Your call
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
I guess at 9:00 a.m., I will be hunting some public records. And it will be my pleasure to do so. *slow burn*

This couple is elderly. They may not want to invite drama into there lives. HOWEVER, I will sign a notarized statement that I have in fact not only helped her deliver food, but that I have helped her search for the missing homeless.

I have been both namefag'd & facefag'd. And guess what? The Sun still rises, I haven't gotten so much as a C&D letter, and the Cult cannot prove I have done a thing to them.

I have the time, I have the motives, and being a German/Scot (American born) means I can be pretty damn tenacious when motivated.

My crimes?

Caring about ppl.

Assisting ppl whenever I can.

And loathing a Cult to the point of wanting it to be a brief paragraph in a History book before my eldest Grandchild is out of grade school.

Oh, and OSA? (.....if your lurking?) guess what?

I tell all my friends, and ppl who care, what I do. And guess what? They are telling all of their friends too.

My final crimes?


I tell the friends that I care about who are in same-sex relationships what Elron says about homosexuals. And provide dox.


I tell my handicapped & disabled friends what Elron said about them. And provide Dox.

I tell STRANGERS what you do, and provide Dox.

Myadvice? Get out now, go to the Feds & tell what you know. NOW. While you can still cop a plea deal.

Or, stay on a sinking ship.

Your call

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Been Done Had

Patron with Honors
Sounds like a typical on-Scource handling -- Bums spread leprosy y'know and should be rounded up.

Part of the "Kick 'em When They're Down Rundown" (c)


I shudder to imagine living under a scientology controlled government.
 

sandygirl

Silver Meritorious Patron
Quote from BDH:


Sounds like a typical on-Scource handling -- Bums spread leprosy y'know and should be rounded up.

Part of the "Kick 'em When They're Down Rundown" (c)


I shudder to imagine living under a scientology controlled government

My sentiments exactly!!!
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article967714.ece

I think I've read that the downtown is populated by scientologist businesses so I would assume they are behind this push to move the soup kitchen. I don't know if that has anything to do with the op, but why would just ordinary citizens send the little old lady hate mail and turn her into the city?

It probably was the church but I will say this, I've seen ordinary citizens who weren't Scn'ists turn all kinds of people in to the city. I've had it done to me twice. Once for burning some stuff in a barrel, then once for parking in front of my house- someone had our car stickered which means they called the police.
 

Takin Time

Patron with Honors
It probably was the church but I will say this, I've seen ordinary citizens who weren't Scn'ists turn all kinds of people in to the city. I've had it done to me twice. Once for burning some stuff in a barrel, then once for parking in front of my house- someone had our car stickered which means they called the police.
A single "anonymous report" by an irritated neighbor (anonymous, because they are too chicken to tell you directly) is not the same as a concerted effort by many others to stop an ongoing charitable action that is NOT in their own neighborhood. Coachman Park is NOT a residential district; it is in the downtown commercial area.
 

byte301

Crusader
It probably was the church but I will say this, I've seen ordinary citizens who weren't Scn'ists turn all kinds of people in to the city. I've had it done to me twice. Once for burning some stuff in a barrel, then once for parking in front of my house- someone had our car stickered which means they called the police.

True, fluff. We have a "neighborhood association" in my area that I like to call "The neighbor Nazi association." They are constantly sticking their nose in everybody's business. They never seem to get much accomplished but they sure like to rat people out for little things. They really have no power here though.:D I guess you get people like that no matter where you are.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Sure. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often around here. Just every now and again.

As I recall, when you get out of the downtown core, Clearwater seems less Scn inhabited and Scn driven. But I guess that's not to say that the cult doesn't have its fingers in the local politics.
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
My suggestion to solve the problem:

How much money did Bush invest in the wars for oil?
Well Mr. Obama invest this money to install a fair supplementary benefit and teach your people to be modest and to respect the nature.
Stop the insanity of unlimited economic growth caused by uncontrolled kapitalism and stop the Church of Scientology and the crazy ideas of Mr. Hubbard.
Reward true work and stop top managers and bankers which are playing with the fate of their workers on stock market.

In my opinion it is that easy.

Love

Markus
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
How much money did Bush invest in the wars for oil?
Well Mr. Obama invest this money to install a fair supplementary benefit and teach your people to be modest and to respect the nature.
Stop the insanity of unlimited economic growth caused by uncontrolled kapitalism and stop the Church of Scientology and the crazy ideas of Mr. Hubbard.
Reward true work and stop top managers and bankers which are playing with the fate of their workers on stock market.

In my opinion it is that easy.

Love

Markus

Please don't let your disdain for Hubbard's philosophy cause you to suggest to my entire nation that we should turn into European socialists to suit you just because YOU'RE stuck with insanely high taxes on everything and have to get permission to sneeze.

Those are two separate things. Over here, US politics. Waaaaaaay over there, LRH.

If I wanted to be taxed and micromanaged to death, I'd move to your neck of the woods. US citizens already have far more socialism and taxes in the country's infrastructure than most Europeans realize.
 

exsomessenger

Patron Meritorious
the black preacher

When I was In the Sea Org there was this Black Man that used to stand right at the entrance of the Fort Harrision and read out of the bible. He was ther about three or four times a month. He looked homeless. No one really paid him to much attention. I tried to get him to look me in the eyes a few times. BUt now that I think Of it I was wearing Class A Uniform, So I must have looked pretty crazy to him as well.
:thumbsup:
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
Please don't let your disdain for Hubbard's philosophy cause you to suggest to my entire nation that we should turn into European socialists to suit you just because YOU'RE stuck with insanely high taxes on everything and have to get permission to sneeze.

Those are two separate things. Over here, US politics. Waaaaaaay over there, LRH.

If I wanted to be taxed and micromanaged to death, I'd move to your neck of the woods. US citizens already have far more socialism and taxes in the country's infrastructure than most Europeans realize.

In my opinion the United States are spreading the "religion" of kapitalism all over the world and at the same time do not care too much about the different cultures which are destroyed by this kapitalism. I believe that it would be better for mankind if we would respect each other and learn from the many different cultures and religions. In Germany we have no insanly high taxes on everything and we do not need to get permission to sneeze. We have no RPF prisons over here just a few Orgs which have to be very careful what they do.
If a democratic community finds something going wrong there should be done something against it. This is why something like law exist. Compare the statistics of persons murdered by guns in the USA and Germany - but your country is not able to change the law on this matter. Compare the actions of your government against Scientology with the determined action against the CoS in Germany. And compare the Numbers of the Scientology members. Compare the numbers of the homeless persons in your and in my country - Just look at this numbers objectively and you will see wich system is more successful.
Not everybody is a Socialist in Europe. Germany has learned from his sad criminal NS history and thanks to the United States for bringing us back Democracy. But maybe now your proud country can learn something from the smaller brother.
I'm not a Socialist at all but I studied Geography for three years, for the last 18 years I was working as a medical orderly with handicapped persons and would call myself an ecological Humanist with sympathy for the Christian and Buddhistic faith. We are living on a planet with limited resources this is a fact.Every person in the United States (and in the rest of the world) has to realize this. And the idols money and consumption have to replaced by brotherly love and ecological consciousness. This is just my opinion. And the only thing I can do is to live according to this "believe" and thus change something in this world.

Love

Markus
 
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