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Young woman found dead at Narconon Arrowhead

Discussion in 'Narconon, Drug Free World, and Other Anti-drug Fro' started by Sindy, Jul 20, 2012.

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  1. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    From the Village Voice comments:

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    Help convince them to keep the heat on. The dead and abused deserve our support.

    Never Surrender
  3. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Colin Henderson asked me to repost this here from WWP and asked for all to please try and pass this around via twitter, etc ASAP.

  4. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Yes, I need to go back and correct some of that on Tony's blog.

    I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, she had been there for a while before but she'd been out on a pass after having gotten through the sauna part of the program.

    The fact is that Stacy was in withdrawal room, the first step, on the day she died. This was after returning from a home visit that day and testing clean upon arrival back.
    Later that day at Narconon she was seen to be appearing on something and it was then decided to test her once more, hours later - that test was positive. This according to what Narconon told authorities and family.

    Narconon apparently then put her back to step one, withdrawal and at one point they stopped monitoring her and some other 'students' who were with her in withdrawal phase. Keep in mind that this is a dangerous program and that the withdrawal phase is the most dangerous part because there is really no medical attention.... usually another recent graduate working there in exchange for staying longer in the program past the 6 months is the one doing the blood pressure checks and ligfht indoctrination processes. However, there was NO supervision for several hours during the time she died unattended.

    I cannot imagine the pain, horror and suffering in that room.

    I am not aware of the official cause of death being made yet. Whether it's an overdose of whatever Narconon says she took while at Narconon after her return, or some other medical condition in combination with having drugs in her system while in withdrawal unattended. In either case, it's negligence by Narconon at minimum.
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2012
  5. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    Scientology continues to kill.

    As long as scientology is allow to exist it will kill.

    That is what psychotic organizations do.

    I have NO doubts that scientology is a pyschotic organiztion moulded in the image of it's founder, L Ron Hubbard.
  6. BigBeard

    BigBeard Patron

    I understand the logic of Mr. Murphy's invitation completely.

    But, assuming this death ends up in criminal and/or civil court, for some of these people to attend is handing NN/Cof$ an excuse on a silver platter to recuse judges, or impinge the partiality of investigators. With possible consequences to other families that may decide to persue legal action.

    As much as I grieve for Mr. Murphy's loss, I strongly urge that he reconsider the list of people on this invitation.
  7. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    Seriously, I don't get your 'logic' here BB, please explain? This sounds more like a culty diversion than helpful advice to me, so... "...impinge the partiality of investigators." Really? Wow. How?

  8. BigBeard

    BigBeard Patron

    From the original request:

    The highlighted people are the ones I'm concerned about. After watching the Cof$'s shennanigan's since '94 I guarantee, whether true or not, they'll claim any judge who attends was improperly presented with information about the case outside of court with no opportunity for the Cof$/NN to refute it, therefore they should be recused. It wouldn't be the first time they've used the flimsiest of excuses to get a judge recused.

    They'll also claim any OSBI, FBI, or ODMH investigator who attends was improperly biased against them by the emotional claims of the family in front of the press. Therefore any information gathered by those investigators should be suppressed.

    It sounds bizarre, but it's how they work. Look at how they tried to get any opening statement by Debbie Cook's attorney surpressed. Never mind the proverbial 'mole hill', these people will take a grain of sand and try to turn it in to a mountain that will delay justice and drive up costs until the other side quits.

    If it was just the Murphy's, I'd say it's their business. But this literally also has the potential to impact any criminal/civil actions that may be brought regarding the other narCONon deaths.

    So no Ogsonofgroo, no culty diversion, just serious concern based on past culty behavior.
  9. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    So you believe this bereaved family should just lie down and let the cult walk all over them and make their own contacts with judges and mental health experts? It's one thing being prudent but why play the cult's game?

    Of course they will try on anything. But it's not working very well for them at the moment.
  10. BigBeard

    BigBeard Patron

    That's not what I said and you know it, so don't put words in my mouth.

    Believe me, I would like nothing more than to see narCONon end up like Carthage, plowed into the dirt with a liberal dose of salt so nothing would grow there.:angry:

    Anger is a big part of the grieving process in a situation like this, and I understand the Murphy's anger better than you may think. And that anger is a large part of the invitation being aimed at the people it is.

    It's an understandable reaction, and part of me agrees with it, while at the same time seeing the potential for ALL legal actions against narCONon in Oklahoma, not just whatever the Murphy's decide to do, becoming compromised because of it. And if you don't think that could happen, I suggest you go review the legal cases Cof$ has been involved with in the last 20 years.
  11. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    BigBeard, I appreciate your concern but there is nothing inappropriate in asking for this. In the state of OKLA, it is not uncommon when it comes to tragic and avoidable deaths that require public attention and government action .
  12. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    BYW readers, there was an interview of the father last night, which I will post the link to here below.

    Please keep in mind that there is a very strong possibility that what the father says about how the daughter got the drugs is purely based upon what Narconon told him. This is NOT what the father initially stated to those he spoke with. This was relayed to me by people who have more of the facts about the situation and my knowledge gained from various sources.

    To my knowledge, no one knows how she got the drugs and whether she brought them into the facility the morning of her death or obtained them when she returned from Narconon after passing a drug test.

    The man is still in shock and grief. The comments on the interview show that some people are bashing him as if it was his fault for her supposedly obtaining the drugs while on his watch during her one day home visit the day before her death. This is unfair because this is contrary to what I know and what many know from experience that Narconon tries very hard to point the finger in these matters.

    Narconon Arrowhead lied to the police and medical examiner that Gabriel Graves overdosed on Heroin when, in fact, he never took Heroin and was found to be completely drug free upon autopsy and toxilogical results. So keep in mind that until the autopsy and test results and investigation by authorities for Stacy Dawn Murphy are returned, we won't know any of the facts and we certainly cannot rely upon anything from Narconon - even as relayed to the parents.

    Illegal drug use and distribution at Narconon Arrowhead ( by 'students and by some staff ) has been a big issue for some time now. This has been reported in complaints to the state and the sheriff was aware of the problem and working on the external entry issues, as people used to just be able to walk to the edge of the property and get drugs. There is obviously an issue with drugs getting into the facility but there should be no finger pointing without proof that Stacy herself brought any in because the evidence so far is that she was clean when she arrived back from her one day home supervided visit.

    The funeral is today and Gabriel Grave's mother will be there as well as Colin Henderson and others. At some point this issue of how the father came to believe she brought the drugs in will be discussed with him. I'll keep you updated.

    Here is the Channel 9 news show interview and story - which was aired right in the area of Narconon Arrowhead last night:
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2012
  13. MichelleAsWell

    MichelleAsWell Patron with Honors

    Is there any confirmation that the other people were allowed to go home--for some reason I can only get a second or so of the news videos