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Young woman rescued from Narconon-Michigan tonight!!!

Discussion in 'Narconon, Drug Free World, and Other Anti-drug Fro' started by Smurf, Jul 21, 2012.

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  1. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    This was my thought on first reading the thread also - so great that she was rescued from Narconon but if she is an addict her life is still extremely precarious. I would also be relieved to know that she is progressing through a reputable program.

    I am so proud of everyone that saved her from that place for the wonderful effort, and I wish Ashley the most wonderful future. She is so young and she has so many opportunities ahead of her if she can just overcome that one hurdle.
  2. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Mrs X set this up, before she called me.

    I won't go into details now, but will tell you as soon as it is
    appropriate. It is not yet.

    Thanks for all of your care, and concern. She is doing
    quite well and is safely out of Narconon with a place to go to.

    My best, :rose:

  3. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    I hope the same can be said for Destanie, whose mother pulled her out of Arrowhead last night with the assistance of the Pittsburg County Sheriffs Department.
  4. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

  5. BigBeard

    BigBeard Patron


    Elsewhere it was verified there was no court order, and being 18 the young lady is legally an adult in all 50 states. I spoke with my attorney about this yesterday, and she said if Ashley didn't want to go to NarCONon of her own free will, her mother had no legal right to force her to go.

    In fact, based on the information available to date, a case could be made that her mother conspired with NarCONon to have Ashley kidnapped, transported across state lines, and held against her will in violation of Federal law.
  6. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think at this point, let's let Ashley start
    her *real* Healing.

    I get some people want to nail Narconon legally. However,
    I'm in touch w/ Mrs X---who began all of this and is helping
    Ashley, quietly, get the help she needs. That is what is important
    at this time.
    I hope you respect that request. Taking Narconon to court is going
    to happen in more than one state, due to the deaths that have
    occurred at their hands.

    Right now, re Ashley, let's keep the eye on the ball re making sure
    she gets the help she needs and feels welcomed by ALL here, if she
    chooses to join us here.

    I know your heart is in the right place, BigBeard, you just don't have
    all the info, nor will I go into it, now, for many reasons, only one of which
    is OSA and their snarley, feeble tactics.

    My best,
  7. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    I don't agree with the above in bold. The girl was of legal age and by law she can leave when she wants, regardless of who paid for her program. The parents are always at risk for paying for the Narconon program and what happens to and with the girl is not related to the payee relationship. They don't sign the same agreements when they go to Narconon.

    The parent s most often don't even sign a contract until after the addict arrives. They pay over the phone and then there is the scramble to get the loved one to arrive. Once the 'student' arrives, usually without the parent and usually brought in from the airport by an employee or interventionist, the 'student' is usually made to sign an agreement regarding rules and such.

    The actual contract for - the payer, which Narconon never tells the facts about ( including no refund ) along with the receipt for payment, is sent in the mail - sometimes over night express, or by priority mail, or snail mail. When it arrives, the the payer ( in this case, the mother) is instructed to sign and return a copy of the contract agreement. She may or may not get a copy of what her daughter signed ( usually signed while under the influence, by the way.) I know many who have never signed and returned it because they were never informed when they paid that they would not be entitled to a refund ( or in some states, a very reduced refund based upon time or steps achieved in the program). Not signing and returning it has helped people in their quest for refunds and in lawsuits.

    Anyway, the payer is at risk the whole time... with the money... with the program... and with the possibility of the loved one escaping. And there is nothing Ashley's mom can do about her daughter leaving. There are no legal ramifications for those who helped Ashley leave. But you probably can see why Narconon tries so hard to make the students stay in such situations. They want the completion stat and they don't want the drama from the mother.
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2012
  8. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    This is excellent news. That was one of my biggest concerns. Thanks for all you and Mimi accomplished on this.
  9. rhansrider

    rhansrider Patron with Honors

    Slightly OT but within the same area. Has anyone asked Marty Rathbun pointblank what he thinks of Narconon? I checked his blog, and from what I can see, he never says a word about Narconon, even when the blogs are full of people being rescued, or DYING in the programs.

    What would he or his flock of followers say about this rescue?
  10. BigBeard

    BigBeard Patron


    My post was in response to Smurf's comments regarding potential issues for those who helped Ashley get away from narCONon, and was based on the information that had been posted to date, e.g., no court order.

    I was at my attorney's yesterday on a business matter, and knowing she follows $cientologies shenanigans, I mentioned what was going on to her. She gave me the response I posted, which I hadn't originally planned to do until I saw Smurf's post.

    I wish Ashley well and, as much as I'd like to see narCONon get smashed into oblivion, any legal remedies, criminal and/or civil, or none at all, Ashley decides to persue are strictly up to her.
  11. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Somewhere in a relatively recent blog post he stated they were doing good things. As a result, I believe a big thread popped up here about it, dedicated to trashing him for saying this and not knowing what the heck he was talking about :)
  12. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    Good news! :dance:

    All the best to the young lass, I wish her the very best for getting herself straight and living a full and constructve life! :rose:
  13. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    That's really true for any rehab facility. It's extremely frustrating for families, because of the unending merry-go-round of treatment, relapse, treatment, relapse, treatment, relapse.... And you just hope that one of the treatments ends up working out.

    It takes a hell of a lot to keep someone in a facility against their will. Truly, even those who are there under court order are usually free to leave, though they risk incarceration on a probation violation.

    Back to the young woman who was rescued (and the 15 others who were rescued from Arrowhead this past week).... I seriously hope that it doesn't make them fearful of legitimate rehabs from now on. It's nearly impossible to kick substance abuse on your own, and I hope they're not turned off from seeking help from legitimate facilities now.
  14. 120 Degrees

    120 Degrees Patron with Honors

    Also, it is possible to get a minor out of Narconon without parental consent but it involves legal processes such as getting a Child Advocate appointed or in the case of a Court mandated drug program attempting to get a Guardian Ad Litem who advocates for the child and could ask the court for a change of program based on the numerous known problems with Narconon.

    Kudos to all of you who helped this young woman get out of there and into a real program!:thumbsup:
  15. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Degrees - when I was referring to fed kidnapping charges, I wasn't referring to the rescuers. I was referring to the fact that her mother arranged for her to be picked up at her home (forget the state, but it wasn't MI) and taken against her will to Narconon.

    Smurf may have been referring to the rescuers, but I certainly wasn't. Ashley seemed to be happy to leave with them, and I don't know who would doubt the testimony of a cop who provided a police escort to the rescuers.
  16. 120 Degrees

    120 Degrees Patron with Honors

    No Name, Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    Of course, she has both federal and state causes of action against her kidnappers and Narconnon. State and federal laws for kidnapping have no statute of limitations so that in the future, when she has gained sobriety and if she feels the need for court justice, she can file suit. It's important to retain all evidence as soon as possible; hard copies of Facebook posts, written descriptions of telephone calls by the participants, video recorded recollections, dairies, etc.. Participants in this rescue should write their account out as soon as possible sign and date them (have them notorized if possible) and keep them in a safe place for the eventuality that she may want to bring action. This also may be therapeutic for the victim as well.
  17. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    There was no court order, but apparently she had gotten in trouble and was on probation for a drug-related issue. There may have been an agreement, as part of her probation, to seek treatment for her problem, and the mother chose Narconon.

    If the parent's informed the Probations Dept she entered into a drug rehab program, then she left on her own accord, she might have been in violation of her probation, unless there is confirmation she entered into a different rehab program, which according to Tory, she did.
  18. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

    You can disagree, but you are incorrect. If, as part of some court-mandated probation agreement, Ashley walked out of rehab on her own accord, she could be found in violation of probation & be arrested, regardless whether she's an adult or not, even if she were to enter a different rehab facility.

    It would all depend what arrangements were made with the Probation's Dept, if, in fact, it's been confirmed she was at Narconon to fulfill a probation agreement.
  19. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    I love this game!
    Tnx Magoo!
  20. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    That laundry list of intentional torts was also referring to the conduct of Narconon staff - yanking a phone out of her hand when she's trying to call friends for help and hanging it up sounds like assault, battery, and false imprisonment AT LEAST. And who knows how badly traumatized she was by this experience.

    As far as state criminal charges, I would love to see practicing medicine without a license for Purif - that shit's dangerous for addicts with compromised vital organs.

    Tory: Has that cop done a welfare check on the other patients at that facility? Has anyone suggested it? I mean, if Ashely was being held against her will, maybe taking those other patients offsite, away from their captors, and asking them if they want to be there would be a reasonable thing for them to do, no? Especially considering that the police in Candadian, OK had 15 kids who they had to help last week because they were being held against their will. Jus' sayin'.....