Samantha Bee tells NRA members to join Scientology instead

[Type4_PTS]

Switzerland is extremely wealthy (2nd country in the world in terms of average wage), has relatively low income disproportions, no large race or immigrant issues and is very picky on who to make a citizen.
Also, has long standing local government tradition.

All of that produces very low crime in general.

again: I never said gun laws are the only factor. But it is a factor.

But you DID say:

The simplest explanation why gun crime stats are lower, is because there's less guns and access to guns is limited.

For sure, access to guns and gun laws are a factor, but there are many other cultural and other factors that have a major impact. There's really not a simple explanation that is accurate.

It's much more than simply access to guns and/or gun laws.

 

[JustSheila]

But you DID say:

For sure, access to guns and gun laws are a factor, but there are many other cultural and other factors that have a major impact. There's really not a simple explanation that is accurate.

It's much more than simply access to guns and/or gun laws.

Yes, there certainly are a lot of factors. The "no gun" small countries are always allied with big countries in some way or another, too. They don't protect themselves by luck or virtue.

Switzerland, though claiming to be "neutral" during WWII, was actually allied with the German banks and holding a great deal of the money and assets stolen from the Jews during WWII:

Decades after the war, it was demonstrated that Union Bank of Switzerland likely took active roles in trading stolen gold, securities and other assets during World War II.[29][30][31] The issue of "unclaimed property" of Holocaust victims became a major issue for UBS in the mid-1990s and a series of revelations in 1997 brought the issue to the forefront of national attention in 1996 and 1997.[32] UBS confirmed that a large number of accounts that had gone unclaimed as a result of the bank's policy of requiring death certificates from family members to claim the contents of the account.[33][34] UBS's handling of these revelations were largely criticized and the bank received significant negative attention in the U.S.[35][36] UBS came under significant pressure, particularly from American politicians, to compensate Holocaust survivors who were making claims against the bank.[37]
In January 1997, Christoph Meili, a night watchman at the Union Bank of Switzerland, found employees shredding archives compiled by a subsidiary that had extensive dealings with Nazi Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Bank_of_Switzerland

Yes, such a rich country.... It doesn't take much digging to see it wasn't all earned and produced by the Swiss. Far from it.

 

[Voodoo]

If you are arguing that it is as easy for criminals in said countries to obtain guns as it is in the US, then what would be your explanation for the lower homicide-per-capita ratios? Are you saying Americans are inherently more violent that people in Italy, Netherlands and the CR?

Knife crime is indeed an issue, as we have seen in recent terrorist attacks. But even with those included, the crime statistics for the US still end up several time higher than for the 3 countries in question.

My approach is one of Ockham's razor: "The simplest explanation why gun crime stats are lower, is because there's less guns and access to guns is limited. Other explanations are more complex, thus not acceptable without further evidence".

You're drawing an awful lot of assumptions here.

First of all, I need to check my own sources for US vs international violent crime statistics. Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you citing the actual sources of your statistics.

Secondly, I don't accept the premise that lower gun crime stats equals fewer acts of violence against law abiding citizens. I've been reading about this subject for years, and have never seen any factual studies that back up your claims.

I'll get back to you shortly.

 

[Karakorum]

But you DID say:

For sure, access to guns and gun laws are a factor, but there are many other cultural and other factors that have a major impact. There's really not a simple explanation that is accurate.

It's much more than simply access to guns and/or gun laws.

We are not in disagreement here. There are countries with very low crime rates, almost all are very rich 1st world countries. There are countries with rather strict gun laws with high homicide rates, for example Honduras. But these are very poor countries with a corrupt government that is unable to control drugs&weapons.

Amongst the very rich nations, USA is clearly the single one with the highest violent crime and gun crime rates.

First of all, I need to check my own sources for US vs international violent crime statistics. Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you citing the actual sources of your statistics.

https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims

 

[JustSheila]

We are not in disagreement here. There are countries with very low crime rates, almost all are very rich 1st world countries. There are countries with rather strict gun laws with high homicide rates, for example Honduras. But these are very poor countries with a corrupt government that is unable to control drugs&weapons.

Amongst the very rich nations, USA is clearly the single one with the highest violent crime and gun crime rates.




https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims

(Edited)

No, the USA is #90:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

[Type4_PTS]

(Edited)

No, the USA is #90:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I just noticed that Curacao has the #21 highest rate.

Isn't that the home port of the Freewinds?

With all those OTVIII completions around I would have expected zero crime.

They must of forgotten to hand out The Way to Happiness Booklets.

 

[Karakorum]

Amongst the very rich nations, USA is clearly the single one with the highest violent crime and gun crime rates.
No, the USA is #90:

(Edited)

No, the USA is #90:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Yes.

Now, which of the 1-89 would you consider "Amongst the very rich nations"?

 

[Voodoo]

I never said gun laws are the only factor. But it is a factor.

New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly

22 Nov , 2018

The U.S. is well below the world average in terms of the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase over time has been much bigger than for the United States.

Over the 18 years from 1998 to 2015, our list contains 2,354 attacks and at least 4,880 shooters outside the United States and 53 attacks and 57 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.1% of the mass public shooters, 1.49% of their murders, and 2.20% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, they are also much less deadly on average.

Out of the 97 countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the United States ranks 64th in the per capita frequency of these attacks and 65th in the murder rate.

Not only have these attacks been much more common outside the US, the US’s share of these attacks have declined over time. There has been a much bigger increase over time in the number and severity of mass shootings in the rest of the world compared to the US.

Appendices 1 and 2 for our research on mass public shootings around the world are available here.
Appendix 1 Foreign Cases (675 pages)
Appendix 2 US Cases (10 pages)
Excel file for International Mass Public Shootings Appendices
Excel file for International Mass Public Shootings Figures

[Forgive me for not making the above into hotlinks, but I'm still learning the exscn forum software - Voodoo]

Source: https://crimeresearch.org/2018/11/n...f-the-world-and-increasing-much-more-quickly/

 

[Karakorum]

New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly

22 Nov , 2018

The U.S. is well below the world average in terms of the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase over time has been much bigger than for the United States.

Over the 18 years from 1998 to 2015, our list contains 2,354 attacks and at least 4,880 shooters outside the United States and 53 attacks and 57 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.1% of the mass public shooters, 1.49% of their murders, and 2.20% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, they are also much less deadly on average.

Out of the 97 countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the United States ranks 64th in the per capita frequency of these attacks and 65th in the murder rate.

Not only have these attacks been much more common outside the US, the US’s share of these attacks have declined over time. There has been a much bigger increase over time in the number and severity of mass shootings in the rest of the world compared to the US.

Appendices 1 and 2 for our research on mass public shootings around the world are available here.
Appendix 1 Foreign Cases (675 pages)
Appendix 2 US Cases (10 pages)
Excel file for International Mass Public Shootings Appendices
Excel file for International Mass Public Shootings Figures

[Forgive me for not making the above into hotlinks, but I'm still learning the exscn forum software - Voodoo]

Source: https://crimeresearch.org/2018/11/n...f-the-world-and-increasing-much-more-quickly/

Yeah checked the link. This includes just mass shootings, not firearm homicide such as spousal killings etc.
Secondly, this is "USA vs Rest of the World", the latter is skewed because countries in a state of civil war such as Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Syria etc are included. Also included are places like Nigeria, where the local security system has collapsed.

I already know that I'm more likely to be shot in Syria or Nigeria than the US. That's not news.

"Garbage in, garbage out" (no offence to you as a person, my derision is aimed squarely at the ones who made this data compilation).

Do you have this data just for the 1st world functional countries?

 

[Voodoo]

There are countries with rather strict gun laws with high homicide rates, for example Honduras. But these are very poor countries with a corrupt government that is unable to control drugs&weapons.

Amongst the very rich nations, USA is clearly the single one with the highest violent crime and gun crime rates.

https://dataunodc.un.org/crime/intentional-homicide-victims

UN.org, huh? No bias there

Update: France had more casualties from mass public shootings in 2015 than the US suffered during Obama’s entire presidency

France suffered more casualties (murders and injuries) from mass public shootings in 2015 than the US has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (Updated 532 to 527 in Tables below).

Note that these numbers don’t adjust for the fact that the US has 5 times the population of France. The per capita rate of casualties in France is thus 8.19 per million and for the US it is 1.65 — France’s per capita rate of casualties is thus 4.97 times higher than the rate in the US.

A systematic look at the frequency and deaths from mass public shootings from the US and Europe is available here. The very high rate of attacks in the rest of the world is discussed here. We use the traditional FBI definition of mass public shootings.

UPDATE: The number of people injured in the California attack was raised from 17 to 21, thus increasing the US causality total to 396.

The number of people injured in the Paris attacks on November 13th has also been increased from 352 to 368 and the number of people killed by one from 129 to 130 so the total casualties for Paris alone is now 525.

UPDATE: February 4, 2016. If only by excellent police work and some luck, last November Paris was literally just three days away from several more mass public shootings planned for a nursery school, a shopping mall, and a police station.

UPDATE: Of course, there have been many terrorist attacks that have harmed a lot of people that didn’t involve just guns.
July 14, 2016: 86 people were killed and another 434 injured after a truck slammed into a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in the southern French city of Nice. The attacker here was also shooting people but none of the breakdowns of casualties breaks out deaths from the truck with deaths from being shot.

December 22, 2014: 10 people were seriously injured when a van drove into pedestrians at a Christmas market in Nantes, France, in the western part of the country.

December 21, 2014: 11 people were injured, two seriously, when an Arabic driver yelling “Allahu Akbar” (God is great) drove his car into pedestrians in Dijon, France.

[snip]

UPDATE: February 22, 2017.

Source:
https://crimeresearch.org/2017/02/f...during-obamas-entire-presidency-508-to-424-2/

Lots of clickable hotlinks at the source.

 

[Voodoo]

Amongst the very rich nations, USA is clearly the single one with the highest violent crime and gun crime rates.

Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries

1 Mar, 2014

Charles Blow in the New York Times last year made the very common argument: “America has the highest gun homicide rate, the highest number of guns per capita . . . .” In another story, the New York Times quotes researcher David Hemenway as claiming: “Generally, if you live in a civilized society, more guns mean more death.” CNN’s Piers Morgan believes: “America has the worst incidents of gun murders of any of what they call the civilized world.” Bloomberg’s Businessweek also made similar claims this spring. The one common feature for these claims is that they rely on the Small Arms Survey.

So how do homicide rates compare across countries?

[snip]

Much of the debate is focused on gun ownership rate data for 109 countries from the Small Arms Survey. There are real problems with this survey. They only provide sources for 20 European countries with survey data from 2005, that they adjust in some unexplained manner to use for later years. After repeated requests over many years, the Small Arms Survey and Aaron Karp, who worked on these reports, have refused to provide any additional information.

Even registration numbers would be problematic. When Canada tried in the late 1990s to register its estimated 15 million to 20 million long guns, about 7 million were actually registered. In the 1970s, Germany registered 3.2 million of the country’s estimated 17 million guns. In the 1980s, England registered only about 50,000 of the estimated 300,000 pump-action and semiautomatic shotguns in the country.

Even in the US, there is evidence that surveys of gun ownership rates are not very accurate. In many countries where gun ownership is illegal, surveys continually show zero gun ownership even when that is clearly not the case.

Or take the supposed rates of gun ownership for Israel (7 per 100 people) and Switzerland (supposedly 47 guns per 100 people).

Anyone who has ever been to Israel knows that this estimate is ridiculously low. Indeed, in the past up to 12 percent of the adult Jewish population in Israel has carried handguns in public.

The problem with this survey excludes weapons that are technically owned by the government. The vast majority of guns in Israel are technically owned by the government, but if people have possession of guns in their homes for decades, the issue should be that public possession, not who technically owned the guns. Similarly, at that time of the Small Arms Survey, all able-bodied Swiss males between the age of 18 and 34 kept their military weapons in their homes. After age 34, they could apply for permission to continue to keep their military weapons and the majority opt to do so. Only at age 65 are the Swiss given the option of purchasing these guns for their own private ownership. Israeli guns are also excluded for the same reason. A 2011 vote in Switzerland to no longer require that the weapons for those in the military be stored at home was defeated in a 57% to 43% vote.

The Small Arms Survey claims that the United States has by far the highest level of gun ownership, with 88.8 guns per 100 people. Both Israel and Switzerland probably have much higher gun ownership rates, but including them, the way the Small Arms Survey does, biases the results so that those countries look lower than they actually are. The US gun ownership is so high compared to other countries that it drives any regression results.

There are also other problems with the survey. For example, a much better measure of gun ownership would be the percentage of the population owning guns, and not the number of guns per 100 people as used by the Small Arms Survey. Presumably, the issue is whether people have access to guns, not the number of guns greater than one that an individual has access to.

In addition, what most people don’t understand is that homicides are not the same as murders. Homicides add together murders and justifiable homicides (when a police officer or a civilian kills someone in self-defense). In the US, during the five years from 2011 to 2015, there was an average of 11,577 firearm homicides and 8,786.4 firearm murders. This gap is much larger in the US than other countries, so comparing homicide rates instead of murder rates exaggerates the US rate compared to other countries.

Source: https://crimeresearch.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/

 

[Voodoo]

"Garbage in, garbage out" (no offence to you as a person, my derision is aimed squarely at the ones who made this data compilation).

Do you have this data just for the 1st world functional countries?

If you take the time to read the reports I posted (rather than just skim over them) you'd answer your own question. If my posted excerpts aren't enough, go to the site and read the volumes of essays there. There are literally dozens of supporting studies and pertinent resources linked into every report on the site, as well as charts, diagrams, and videos.

"Garbage in, garbage out"? I seriously beg to differ.

John Lott (owner of the site) is one of the most well respected firearms researchers in America. He's been doing it for decades, and has an encyclopedic knowledge of all things related to guns and their impact on society. It's obvious by the tone of your reply that you're completely unfamiliar with the extensive works of this recognized expert. Tsk tsk.

But enough with derailing the initial thread of our exchange, which was started by you, opining on your distaste for guns in general. That's actually what this conversation was about until you sidetracked us down a non-sequitur lane.

You don't like guns. I get that. If it were possible, I'm sure you'd like to see every civilian owned gun melted down. I ask you - who would then be left with firearms in their possession? Governments and criminals, that's who. The law abiding would then be at the complete mercy of those degenerate subsets of the population.

How much do you trust politicians and bureaucrats? They're responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the last century alone. Ever hear the phrase, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."? It happens to be quite accurate. When a government is armed and the people are not, it's the perfect recipe for despotism and death, because their power over you is absolute. WHEN (not if) that government becomes corrupted by that power, they can inflict whatever hurt and suffering they want on their citizens - and they will.

It's a lesson that should have been well learned by all the peoples of earth by now. Only an armed citizenry can resist the oppression and murderous impulses of a rogue government. There wouldn't be a USA if my ancestors hadn't been armed and willing to tell King George III to "Fuck Off!"

When he refused, we shot the bastards and won our freedom as a nation.

Due to having learned that vitally important lesson, our Founding Fathers encoded the natural right to keep and bear arms into our Constitution for all time. No, our 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with hunting or even personal defense. It was put there to ensure that our government could never subjugate us, and it has worked for over 240 years.

You don't like guns. I get that. Heaven help you if you ever get your wish and your government goes rogue. You will wish to God that you'd never been so foolish.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
~ Unknown.

 

[guanoloco]

This is a post from the Trump thread.

I ran across a great article today.

We are in a journalism freefall where activists use the platform for a manufactured narrative and people accept it as truth.

The Myth That the US Leads the World in Mass Shootings

The Dominant Narrative​

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"Let's be clear,” President Obama said in 2015 after a shooting in North Carolina. “At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."​

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Sen. Harry Reid echoed this sentiment. "The United States is the only advanced country where this kind of mass violence occurs.”​

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Media headlines have left little doubt that the US leads the world in mass shootings. In fact, according to CNN, it isn’t even close.​

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The comments and data seem to conclusively say that the US leads the world in mass shootings and the violence is unique, a product of “America’s gun culture.”​

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It’s a slam dunk case except for one thing: it’s not true.​

Norway and Serbia is way out ahead of the U.S. If you read the article it has this to say:

If this is true, how did the narrative that the US leads the world in mass shootings become the conventional wisdom? The myth, it turns out, stems from University of Alabama associate professor Adam Lankford.​

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Lankford’s name pops up in a montage of media reports which cite his research as evidence that America leads the world in mass shootings. The violence, Lankford said, stems from the high rate of gun ownership in America.​

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“The difference between us and other countries, [which] explains why we have more of these attackers, was the firearm ownership rate,” Lankford said. “In other words: firearms per capita. We have almost double the firearm ownership rate of any other country.”​

Lankford’s findings show that there were 90 mass public shooters in America since 1966, the most in the world, which had a total of 202. But Lott, using Lankford’s definition of a mass shooting—“four or more people killed”—found more than 3,000 such shootings, John Stossel recently reported.​

This part of the article links to another article where the 3,000 shootings is further explained:

The US ‘Has the Most Mass Shootings’—and Other Bogus Gun Research

When Lott’s research center checked the data, using Lankford’s own definition of a mass shooting—“four or more people killed”—the center found 3,000 shootings around the world. Lankford claimed there were only 202.​

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Lankford said he excludes “sponsored terrorism,” but does not define what he means by that. To be safe, Lott removed terrorism cases from his data. He still found 709 shootings—more than triple the number Lankford reported.​

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It turns out that not only did the U.S. not have the most frequent mass shootings, it was No. 62 on the list, lower than places like Norway, Finland, and Switzerland.​

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There was also no relationship between the rate of gun ownership in different countries and the rate of mass shootings.​

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What's really to be noticed here is that the guy, Lankford, excludes "sponsored terrorism" I'm willing to bet that the various Muslim mass shootings which are the most lethal are included in the U.S. stats. I mean to say that I bet he excludes these from the global stats but would include the Florida nightclub shooting in the U.S. stats in order to skew them to his narrative.

The progressive left is all about taking away our amendments. Gun violence plummets when gun ownership rises.

The best thing the U.S. could do would be to implement mandatory laws requiring people to take gun safety courses where they learn to shoot, clean and care for guns. Also, by encouraging the populace to be armed and allowing them to carry. Violence by guns would plummet and crime would follow suit.

But, you'll notice that progressives use National crisis moments to usurp and implement their government overreach agendas. FDR and the Depression, LBJ and the Kennedy assassination, Obama and the Mortgage Meltdown...today they're busy with the chaos merchant stories of the world ending in 12 years and systemic institutionalized racism and out of control gun violence.

 

[guanoloco]

I agree that there is a gun problem in the United States but it's not what anyone is willing to look at because of race. But it really isn't a racial thing as much as it is a specific age group from a specific race that is in dire trouble and no one is willing to look at it because of political correctness and the identity politics that drive it.

Here's a post from Enthetan from the Trump thread.

According to 2017 FBI data, where the race of the offender is known, blacks are killed by other blacks in about 88% of cases. So out of 7,851 black homicide victims in 2017, we can estimate that 6,944 were killed by other blacks. Compare to 3,445 recorded lynchings of blacks over 1882-1968.

The modern homicide numbers would be higher, but many shooting/stabbing victims are saved these days (at considerable medical expense)

 

[guanoloco]

One of the biggest factors is contained at the 4:30 mark of this video.

 

[guanoloco]

Here's another post of mine from the Trump thread regarding gun homicides in the U.S.


This possibly ties straight into gun violence in this country.

Black Kids Are 10 Times More Likely Than White Kids to Die From Guns, Study Says​

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Black children faced the highest rates of gun-related homicides, at 3.5 for every 100,000, researchers found. That’s nearly 10 times the rate for white children, at .4 for 100,000. In many cases, researchers noted, gun-related deaths occur “in multi-victim events and involved intimate partner or family conflict."​

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Gun-related deaths also disproportionately affected young boys and older children. Researchers found that gun-related deaths, injuries and homicides are higher among boys ages 13 to 17 than teen girls and younger boys.​

Gun Violence: America’s Unresearchable Epidemic​

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From a demographic standpoint, 77 percent of gun deaths in the white population are suicides while 19 percent are homicides. In the black population, this relationship is reversed, with homicides responsible for more than three-quarters of gun-related deaths, and suicides less than a quarter.​

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Racial disparities seen in the type of gun-related death also are reflected in the victims of gun violence, in both homicides and suicides. Black males are disproportionately likely to be victims of gun violence compared to their share of the population as well as to other racial and ethnic groups.​

This article is devastating:

Want to fix gun violence in America? Go local.​

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The clear dividing line you see between areas with many gun homicides and few gun homicides is Delmar Boulevard, which has developed over time into a rigid racial boundary that carves the city in two.​

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The problem they face is devastating. Though these neighborhood areas contain just 1.5% of the country’s population, they saw 26% of America’s total gun homicides.​

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Gun control advocates say it is unacceptable that Americans overall are "25 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than people in other developed countries". People who live in these neighborhood areas face an average gun homicide rate about 400 times higher than the rate across those high-income countries.​

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Understanding this dramatic clustering of America’s of gun violence is crucial for the effort to save more lives.​

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“We can’t do much about crime prevention of homicide if we try to attack it as a broad, global problem, throwing money at it in a sort of broad, global way,” said David Weisburd, a leading researcher on the geographic distribution of crime at George Mason University.​

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America’s gun policy debate is usually driven by high-profile mass shootings that seem to strike at random, and it focuses on sweeping federal gun control or mental health policies. But much of America’s gun homicide problem happens in a relatively small number of predictable places, often driven by predictable groups of high-risk people, and its burden is anything but random.​

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The concentration of gun homicides in certain census tracts mirrors what criminologists have discovered when they look at crime patterns within individual cities: roughly 1.5% of street segments in cities see about 25% of crime incidents, a trend dubbed “the law of crime concentration”.​

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The Guardian’s new geographic analysis is the first time that gun homicides nationwide have been mapped down to the census tract level, researchers said. This new approach was made possible with the geocoded data collected since 2014 by the not-for-profit Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings and gun deaths using media reports. The FBI’s national crime data only provides gun murder statistics down to the city level, which masks the clustering of violence within neighborhoods.​

Meanwhile, shanic posts videos of the NRA suggesting the violence stems from them.

What does Black Lives Matter say about the above? Crickets...while geniune people, both black and white, who truly care about lives and black lives express concern and strive to do something about this.

 

[guanoloco]

This is for Black Lives Matter and their fake rhetoric.

Grossly misleading claims about black teens being “vastly more likely to be killed by police than whites even after adjusting for crime rates”

BLM is really just a front group for the LGBQTIA agenda to attack what they see as the white male Christian capitalist patriarchy. They attack things such as racial profiling, etc. So here are some articles.

All Stereotypes Are True, Except... I: What Are Stereotypes?

And...

Stereotype Accuracy: A Displeasing Truth

The reason I posted these is because I do believe that cops do do racial profiling but that it is accurate. Not only that, black officers do the exact same profiling as much or more than whites or others. Why? Because it goes back to what Ann Coulter says in that video and it goes back to empirical evidence in the articles I've linked. It is the young black male that is the offender way disproportionately in comparison to their demographic representation across the census.

Here is some data regarding racial crime:

The Color of Crime

However, I would like to see some pre-LBJ stats to see what's changed with the Great Society. Rather than being strictly racial it is young black males that are in trouble.

 

[guanoloco]

Here's one of the most eye-opening data sites I've read regarding racial crime:

Us Crime in Black & White

Whites make up the majority of the population. The US Census Bureau does break out whites vs Hispanic/Latino, so that is reflected here.It should be noted that the actual white-only population is 63%, whereas whites including Hispanics is 77.9%.

However, the FBI opts to include Hispanics with whites when reporting crime, so we'll use the larger of the two in the graphics below. Now, let's consider the overall crime rate. Since we're focusing on Black crime vs. White crime, we'll leave out the others for now. The graph below shows the percentage of US crime committed by each race

% of U.S. Crime by Race



Reversing the Crime % Based on Population Density


If Race Density were Equal


If All Race Data were Equal


The first gives the % of crimes of whites and blacks in the U.S.

The 2nd shows what the graphs would look like if the number of whites and blacks were reversed - which is to say that whites were 13% of the population.

The 3rd shows what the crime rates would look like if the population were 50/50 black and white.

The 4th shows what the crime rates would look like if the population were 25% white, 25% black, 25% indian, 25% Hawaiin.

If you separated out the hispanic/latino from the whites then the numbers are even worse in regards to representation.

That clearly shows what race the perpetrators are and this is reflected in arrest rates, incarceration rates and right on down the line.

However, it doesn't reflect the age group and that's a problem. I think this is less of a black/white thing and specifically a young black male thing.

Then the question becomes - why? and what to do about it?

 

[guanoloco]

None of that last post would BLM recognize and, if it were addressed, they'd blame the U.S. for sytemic institutionalized racism. However, African blacks that immigrate here don't experience these things AS LONG AS THEY REMAIN SEPARATE FROM U.S. BLACKS. I can try to find those articles another time.

Here's a major factor, I believe, in these crime rates besides the single mother parent.

Shoot Someone In A Major US City, And Odds Are You’ll Get Away With It

A yearlong investigation by The Trace and BuzzFeed News, based on data obtained from 22 cities, has found that:​

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• In cities from coast to coast, the odds that police will solve a shooting are abysmally low and dropping. Homicides and assaults carried out with guns lead to arrests about half as often as when the same crimes are committed using other weapons or physical force.​

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• The odds of an arrest are particularly low when victims survive, in part because those crimes tend to be assigned to detectives whose caseloads are exponentially higher compared to their colleagues in the homicide department, who are often overburdened themselves.​

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• The chances are even lower if the victims, like Little, are people of color. When a black or Hispanic person is fatally shot, the likelihood that local detectives will catch the culprit is 35% — 18 percentage points fewer than when the victim is white. For gun assaults, the arrest rate is 21% if the victim is black or Hispanic, versus 37% for white victims.​

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By failing to solve so many shootings, police are “missing a potential opportunity to stop cascades of gun violence,” said Andrew Papachristos, a professor of sociology at Northwestern University.​

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The blaming of the U.S. for institutionalized systemic racism doesn't solve the problem. This has been going on for some time and is very akin to blaming Islamic terrorism on Western Colonialism. Where's the Coptic Christian terrorism? The Hindu terrorism? The Yazidian terrorism? The Zoroastrian terrorism?

 

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Finally, there's a counter cultural tribalism that is at work, IMHO. Something akin to Lord of the Flies. That is that in the absence of adult constructive supervision that ascribe to constructive tribalism such as religion, sports, the family, etc., then an immature one will take its place and that is the gang. Every race suffers this: white, black, brown, yellow, red, whatever. When this very important social element is removed the catastrophic breakdown occurs.

This is well known in black communities and has been pointed out by numerous black conservatives and until something is factually responsibly done to reverse the catastrophic government programs that perpetuate it it will not have any chance of subsiding and will only grow.

Here's a perfect example.

This is Donkey Cartel.



This is Donkey Cartel with his homie.



This is Donkey Cartel running through the mall alive.



This is the way Donkey Cartel wound up that day.



GRAPHIC: Leaked Footage Shows ‘Donkey Cartel’ Get Shot By Police – WATCH

Black Lives Matter Thug Who Tweeted “Kill Whites” Shot Dead At Northlake Mall — Freedom Daily

Rapper ‘Donkey Cartel’ Killed By Police Officer In Northlake Mall


This is where all of the gun violence is happening in the United States. All of it. If just this was focused on it would fix. I'm willing to bet that zero amount of background check laws would alleviate it. I know for a fact that removing the NRA wouldn't scratch the surface of it. If we outlawed and took away all the guns it would still exist. Gun free zones don't fix it.

The mass shootings are so statistically insignificant that they don't move the stat one way or the other with or without their presence.

I know of people in Canada and elsewhere that brag about their low levels of gun violence and that "Americans are gun crazy" and "violent" and all that. Their whistles aren't blowing as they import more and more gang crime and gang warfare.

The same goes for Europe and any country, anywhere, that allows this to grow and proliferate.

Progressive liberal policies exacerbate it.