You know, HH, Doc Wellington was not the sort given to lying. I don't know how long he and Vi, his wife (a class 8) were on lines, but I think they were on the BC at Saint Hill and did a lot of that old school goals listing.
While it is questionable what gains Scientology processing gives, and many think the OT levels are *Evaluation Supreme* by Hubbard in complete violation of the auditors code "I promise not the evaluate for the pc or tell him what to think about his case or gains in or out of session". So one could argue, that old school Goals listing consisted of items listed by the PC and thus were from his case and not Hubbard's, and one could get good gains from it.
Maybe Doc actually saw them? Maybe he thought he saw them? Who knows? There's a lot more to the spiritual side of man that's unknown than known - maybe there are unseen masses on the body - who knows?
See, that's what's so odd about the people who start seeing masses on their body after running OT2 for a while. What the hell is going on? They certainly weren't told that would happen.
Mimsey
Thanks, a few thoughts when reading your post. . .
You know, HH, Doc Wellington was not the sort given to lying.
Sure, he doesn't have to be "lying". He could just be delusional. Delusional doesn't have to be some horrible thing that only is suffered by ranting lunatics in an insane asylum. Delusion can take many forms and points or origin.
Example: Someone reads they have "body thetans". So they go into session looking for "body thetans". And they see the meter react. So they now think they have located a "body thetan". So they begin asking it questions ("Who are you? What are you?"). And the "body thetan" appears to respond because the OT/Auditor "perceived" that they said something in the "theta universe". So the OT/Auditor writes down what they said on a worksheet. This kind of thing happens hundreds or thousands of times. That person is deluded. Part of their delusion is the suggestion that they are indoctrinated with by Hubbard's infallible tech, reading it, memorizing it, drilling on it. They're deluded, so what?
And if they carry on about how they see a body thetan or perceive its mass, well they are lying too. Lying to themselves as much as anyone else. This kind of chronic lying is what ranks Scientologists amongst the stupidest people "on this planet".
people who start seeing masses on their body after running OT2 for a while. What the hell is going on? They certainly weren't told that would happen.
Of course they were told that would happen, LOL. Having worked at missions, orgs, St Hills and Advanced Organizations, I can say with great certainty that there are rampant rumor lines that spread like wildfire around orgs, or amongst orgs.
example: How come so many Scientologists around the world concluded that OTs solo auditing on OT VII at home is the reason the Berlin Wall fell down? LOL. Was there an HCOB or a HCOPL that stated that? No, of course not.
My God, there were many HUNDREDS of rumors that I can remember which Scientologists would swear was "part of the tech" or "something Ron said".
I don't actually remember all the written material from OT II, and there might actually be some "tech" about perceiving mass on one's body, don't recall. If i was on a gameshow right now and couldn't answer this question, I would use a lifeline.
beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep (that's the sound of me dialing Paul's mobile phone number) Hello Paul? Listen, I'm on a game show now and i need a spot of help here, little buddy.......
I am waiting for LRH to return to say that OTVIII is really where one gets clear, to be perfectly CLEAR I need a good clear laugh from that scoundrel
