David Mayo, Bill Robertson, Robin Scott -More Truth Revealed and Realities uncovered

[AnonyMary]

Its currently the third last post on the " Don't knight Mayo thread."

I guess not seen in the US unless you were up extremely late.


http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/before-you-knight-mayo/#comment-117971

martyrathbun09 April 15, 2011 at 1:01 am

Then go ahead and keep worshiping him…good luck.
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oh my.....
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and another reply....

OTDT | April 15, 2011 at 2:32 am |

Terril,
Just a question, are you in comm with Marty as far as the details of the squirreling he’s talking about? Just a naive but simple question I felt compelled to ask.__________________________________________________

Opportunity to reply awaits you, Terrill .

 

[Alanzo]

Way to go, Terril.

Keep hurling those thought grenades in there.

Sooner or later, it will affect them, and they will start thinking for themselves.

Marty has no hope of controlling them for long.

 

[rhill]

Then go ahead and keep worshiping him…good luck.

That's one thing I notice he does a lot. If his negative views on someone/something are corrected, he often casts the opposing argument as an hyperbole ("worshipping", "sainthood", "knighthood", "perfect".) Likewise, if his positive views on someone/something (likely Hubbard/Scientology) are corrected, he often casts the opposing argument as an hyperbole ("maligning", "devilhood", "burning books") etc. It's because it's easier to shot down an opposing views if it is a silly hyperbole, so he just need to present it as if it was so, then it become easier to convince people his own arguments/views are rather "reasonable" in contrast.

 

[uniquemand]

It's called a strawman argument. Invent something your opposition is saying, and then challenge that, rather than what they actually are saying. Works especially well when the opposing argument is abandoned in favor of the strawman.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

... I agree with Veda, there is no real point in comparing Scientology to Cristianity to diminish or even understand LRH/Scn nasty behaviour and crimes. ...

I would agree only in that, as great as are the abuses of L. Ron Hubbard & his church, christianity has a history far worse and on a far more massive scale than anything the Co$ has ever sought to achieve. Whether Miscavige or Hubbard ever bore such dreams of infamy is unknown to me. It is clear that they have yet to realize even an 'honorable mention' status in the competition for the 'Evil World Religious Institutions Awards'.

Attempts to paint the Co$ as the 'worst religious institution ever' merely indicate self-righteous hyperbole and ignorance of comparative religions.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Is this the last message of Mayo about his view of Scn? ...

Thanks for posting, ML.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

That's one thing I notice he does a lot. If his negative views on someone/something are corrected, he often casts the opposing argument as an hyperbole ("worshipping", "sainthood", "knighthood", "perfect".) Likewise, if his positive views on someone/something (likely Hubbard/Scientology) are corrected, he often casts the opposing argument as an hyperbole ("maligning", "devilhood", "burning books") etc. It's because it's easier to shot down an opposing views if it is a silly hyperbole, so he just need to present it as if it was so, then it become easier to convince people his own arguments/views are rather "reasonable" in contrast.

Yes.

What's even more interesting from my perspective, I've concluded long ago that it is often the case when a person makes a similar complaint repetitively the topic of complaint is often reflected in his own conduct. It appears as if the qualities on which the mind dwells most frequently are seen as reflected in the world. [From a scientology perspective I see it as a window to serfacs.]

So, from that perspective what is it about "worshipping, sainthood, knighthood", perfect" that seems to occupy so much of Rathbun's latent thinking?


Mark A. Baker

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Yes.

What's even more interesting from my perspective, I've concluded long ago that it is often the case when a person makes a similar complaint repetitively the topic of complaint is often reflected in his own conduct. It appears as if the qualities on which the mind dwells most frequently are seen as reflected in the world. [From a scientology perspective I see it as a window to serfacs.]

So, from that perspective what is it about "worshipping, sainthood, knighthood", perfect" that seems to occupy so much of Rathbun's latent thinking?


Mark A. Baker

I just erased the post I was about to make saying what you just said because you have already said it and said it far better than I.

Face

 

[Moosejewels]

CIC's a navy term.
It's a military term.
What the hell's it doing in a religious context ?
Oh, maybe it's not a religion ?
Silly me.

 

[Moosejewels]

Mary gave the data on black boomerang.

CIC is an acronym for Combat Information Center. Data short for Data Department. Role to collect, sort, analize/assign priroity to information and make it avialable for Managament and evaluation use. Per hubbard, senior management was only to operate on evaluations and programs dervided from verified information in Data/CIC.

CIC's a navy term.
CIC's a military term.
What's it doing in a religious context.
Oh, maybe it's not a religion.
Silly me.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

not too bad since the treaty of westphalia

Are you familiar with the history of the Roman Catholic Church?


Mark A. Baker

somewhat

 

[Mark A. Baker]

CIC's a navy term.
CIC's a military term.
What's it doing in a religious context.
Oh, maybe it's not a religion.
Silly me.

It's clear that Hubbard patterned the Sea Org as his own personal Society of Jesus (i.e. Jesuits). Just as the Jesuits were established by a former soldier as a military style hierarchy sworn to absolute loyalty and obedience, Hubbard did much the same only using a naval motif. Society of Hubbard doesn't have quite the right 'ring'.

I don't know if Hubbard was raised as a catholic. He appears to have borrowed from catholic traditions in his writing & iconography, which suggests he was familiar with it.

Circa 1980 (give or take) there was a rumor current within the church & mission network that Hubbard was to be knighted by the pope for some marvelous contribution to religion, spirituality, world peace, or some such. It was supposedly a matter requiring individuals to respect the 'Hubbard family privacy' in the matter but nonetheless local authorities made sure the rumor circulated. There was some circumstance of the time with which this was supposedly in regard. I don't remember what the circumstance was, but it MIGHT have had something to do with the ongoing rumors of Hubbard's poor health which were then current. I remember thinking at the time that if there was any truth to the rumor it likely reflected an attempt by Hubbard while in a very dubious physical condition to buy an 'indulgence' from the church. I've always had rather jaded views about institutional religion.

NOTE: ALL of this 'knighthood' business was strictly RUMOR.

I wouldn't lay two pins for the truth of it. However, it had the makings of a typical 'shore story', so there may have been a partial truth buried among the muck.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Voltaire's Child]

You're wrong. It wasn't too long and I did read it. Great thread, Rocky!

 

[Mark A. Baker]

You're wrong. It wasn't too long and I did read it. Great thread, Rocky!

Helps to resolve ambiguity induced by time sequence of posting to include at least the opening line of the post to which you are responding, Fluff. For the present I'll assume you weren't saying my post is 'wrong' but that you were replying to a different post. Feel free to tell me different.


Mark A. Baker

 

[MostlyLurker]

CIC's a navy term.
CIC's a military term.
What's it doing in a religious context.
Oh, maybe it's not a religion.
Silly me.

It's clear that Hubbard patterned the Sea Org as his own personal Society of Jesus (i.e. Jesuits). Just as the Jesuits were established by a former soldier as a military style hierarchy sworn to absolute loyalty and obedience ...

Maybe it's because he was stuck into his military career.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Maybe it's because he was stuck into his military career.

When it comes to sailors it's best not to inquire too closely as to what they are 'stuck into'.


Mark A. Baker :angel:

 

[Terril park]

martyrathbun09 April 15, 2011 at 1:01 am

Then go ahead and keep worshiping him…good luck.
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oh my.....
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and another reply....

OTDT | April 15, 2011 at 2:32 am |

Terril,
Just a question, are you in comm with Marty as far as the details of the squirreling he’s talking about? Just a naive but simple question I felt compelled to ask.__________________________________________________

Opportunity to reply awaits you, Terrill .

Not sure. Can't access my posts or comments to it on Marty's blog.
looks like they been pulled. Can see them on the link I posted so will answer there.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Not sure. Can't access my posts or comments to it on Marty's blog.
looks like they been pulled. Can see them on the link I posted so will answer there.

you really need to do proof reading prior to posting on anything you consider important.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Not sure. Can't access my posts or comments to it on Marty's blog.
looks like they been pulled. Can see them on the link I posted so will answer there.

Mary's link takes you to MR's response immediately after your post. BTW, you double posted, both on MR's blog as well as the copy you made on esmb.


Mark A. Baker

 

[SpecialFrog]

Attempts to paint the Co$ as the 'worst religious institution ever' merely indicate self-righteous hyperbole and ignorance of comparative religions.

At the risk of derailment, this discussion came up on WWP in reference to a newspaper article:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...-nearly-as-dangerous-as-the-big-faiths.78257/

Short answer is that the amount of harm done by the Church of Scientology seems quite high for the size of the organization when compared with the Catholic Church orthe largest single Muslim group. Additionally, both those groups do a lot of tangible good in terms of feeding and clothing people, funding hospitals, etc.

While it's hard to get all the numbers together, the idea that the CoS is proportionately the worst ever may be defensible.