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I have always liked, independent of Scientology, the mechanisms that hoaxes use to trick victims. And Scientology is a brilliant study in the inestimably low thresholds of human gullibility that allow hoaxes to exist in the first place.
The "Indie Movement" in Scientology is a very good look at how cults evolve in their formative years, making adjustments and "testing" what cult members will buy.
Very recently, Rathbun began posting some inherently critical views of L. Ron Hubbard and his first major defection has taken place. But, by and large, the indie cult is incubating and morphing into something quite different than the CoS. That isn't to say that they don't have their own proprietary brand of cognitive dissonance-inducing methods of indoctrination.
Today, something remarkable happened when Chuck Beatty, well respected former S.O. member (and no longer a Scientologist) was allowed to post some besmirchments of Source AND REMAIN UNMOLESTED BY MARTY, MIKE & THE TRUE BELIEVING INDIES.
Neither Marty nor Mike said a word. It's a terrific post and crosses over deeply into "enemy" territory.
Such a foray into the "forbidden zone" would have been unthinkable a few weeks earlier. But, there is a new strategy afoot in the forming indie cult. Take a look. . .
I have always liked, independent of Scientology, the mechanisms that hoaxes use to trick victims. And Scientology is a brilliant study in the inestimably low thresholds of human gullibility that allow hoaxes to exist in the first place.
The "Indie Movement" in Scientology is a very good look at how cults evolve in their formative years, making adjustments and "testing" what cult members will buy.
Very recently, Rathbun began posting some inherently critical views of L. Ron Hubbard and his first major defection has taken place. But, by and large, the indie cult is incubating and morphing into something quite different than the CoS. That isn't to say that they don't have their own proprietary brand of cognitive dissonance-inducing methods of indoctrination.
Today, something remarkable happened when Chuck Beatty, well respected former S.O. member (and no longer a Scientologist) was allowed to post some besmirchments of Source AND REMAIN UNMOLESTED BY MARTY, MIKE & THE TRUE BELIEVING INDIES.
Neither Marty nor Mike said a word. It's a terrific post and crosses over deeply into "enemy" territory.
Such a foray into the "forbidden zone" would have been unthinkable a few weeks earlier. But, there is a new strategy afoot in the forming indie cult. Take a look. . .
Chuck Beatty | August 28, 2012 at 5:36 pm | Reply
Very important admission or set of statements by LRH.
What I lived, in my 27 years of the Sea Org (1975-2003), were repeat instances of people who claimed LRH himself did some pretty harsh ethics gradients on them personally.
I recall one woman “claim” that LRH screamed and so thoroughly ruined her reputation, when she loved LRH and wanted only to do well, that she was frankly so PTSD from it, it ruined her later Sea Org career. Janice Kennedy, she was devastated when LRH blew his stack at her, and she just crashed as a being. To LRH’s credit, in the ESTO series he says he’s made mistakes blasting people, and some of the ESTO tech is designed for the ESTO to go patch up the people who get blasted by execs, and who crash case wise from the blastings. (LRH publicly in his writings, ESTO Tapes at least, had humility to admit he’s caused this bad effect on people, and I being a literal perfectionist hoping that LRH covered ALL of his own mistakes, I took ESTO tech for patching up blasted subordinates as the tech to try patch up the people blasted and devastated by their seniors who unloaded on them.)
There’s ample stories of LRH unloading on people, and they have to be faced, these stories I take as real, namely Kima Douglas’ story about LRH blasting and “throttling” (grabbing by the collar and pressing the person against the bulkhead, and in Mike Douglas’ case, Mike was lifted slightly off the ground when LRH did this to Mike, per Kima who I believe, she had no reason to lie about her experiences with LRH, and I highly highly recommend people Google “Kima Douglas” and read her experiences up close with LRH).
LRH is a whole more compassionate person, on the whole, than Miscavige, that is such a given.
LRH’s attitude in wishing well for staff, just read the LRH ED blue volumes, and see LRH’s style.
But LRH could be devastating to people, and some people did NOT recover from what they felt were injustices overall, by how LRH blew his stack at them.
So honestly, PLEASE, if people wish to truly be Scientologists, and admit the facts on the ground, there needs to be some honest exposure to the people who loved LRH, and who felt devastated by LRH’s getting upset with them.
It’s a part of Scientology history, and I recommend some surfing for
“Kima Douglas”
“Otto Roos”
(if you are ex Sea Org, go onto the XSO chat site, “CSW” to Mick Wenlock and read Cathy Cariotaki’s stories admitting the “Kali” exercise which she as Qual Sec on the Apollo had been ordered to implement, and read ALL of Janis Grady’s history and frank answers about LRH there on the XSO chat site.)
“John Aczel” (I’ve written extensively, and on the spitting on John Aczel and Roger Barnes incident, there’s plenty of posting by people who were there, and both I and Janis Grady remember clearly the LRH phrase from a 1982 despatch answer from LRH, where both Janis and I thought for sure LRH was being figurative, but others, like Larry (Denise) Brennan believed that at that time, the people receiving that despatch thought LRH meant for his comment, “….and if you see WDC SMI, spit on him for me….”, Denise Brennan thought that that LRH comment meant literally to do what DM did do, which is spit and punch both John Aczel and Roger Barnes.
The history of how the macho violence has remained off and on, and increasingly in the last 10 years, a part of upper elite Sea Org ranks, deserves a full complete context.
The context includes LRH’s unfortunate resorting to some overly emphatic behavior (punching and kicking at Otto Roos, throttling Mike Douglas, ordering and watching as a 50 year old Sea Org father pushed a pea or peanut around on the Apollo’s wooden deck with his nose and his nose eventually bleeding and his wife and two daughters who were messengers watching and crying at this event while LRH apparently was unaware and was either chuckling or laughing which is what messengers who were standing next to him tell today).
This in an incomplete snippet of history, and someday I hope to complete the history of violence in the Sea Org, if no one else does.
LRH had a hand in it, to a limited degree, and to his credit, with at least the ESTO tech he ordered somewhat of a handling.
But this whole violence and Sea Org officers being granted no penalty for yelling, has opened the door to DM. (LRH’s despatch traffic to Bill Franks in 1979 was supportive of Bill’s tough no nonsense Sea Org officer beingness, even after Bill’s known years of pretty tough harsh treatment of some male staff which numerous ex staff have told, including even me; but Bill was just following Alex Sibersky’s lead, and Kerry Gleason followed both Alex’s and Bill’s lead, it was a whole “My Three Sons” (Alex, Bill, Kerry) who immediately preceded and surely was known to young DM (and I speculate that Norman Starkey has told hundreds of Apollo LRH stories to DM, who’s soaked up ALL of the tough guy LRH stories to DM’s mind’s justification).
DM was NOT ever really taken to task for his decades of bad overly violent temper tantrum behaviors, never countered, never put in his place by anyone.
There are two key LRH references for putting DM in his place is two-fold: 1959 tape lecture “Individuation” and the “Corrupt Activities” HCO PL of the early 1980s. I listened to “Individuation” multiple times, and especially since I speculated that it was the KEY reference to how DM’s been allowed to get away with his temper tantrums and battery all through the years.
But I think a bigger problem is LRH’s 1978-79-80 shift to TWTH was cut short by the court decisions that found MSH and the others guilty, but particularly MSH being found guilty and given the greatest sentence, LRH took it personally, and his response in the 1980s “Justice” policy is scathing and frankly bonkers.
TWTH was derailed, and in my view, the Sea Org toughness bullshit is just such a display of a crashing misunderstood of what society needs from a religion. It’s “out religious beingness” and LRH didn’t give a damn, and it’s just something that society is NOT going to buy the Scientology brand of Sea Org style “relligion.”
My analysis point for Scientology, is TWTH. DO TWTH for two decades, reform the movement from top to bottom, using TWTH, period, and DROP OSA, do a unprecedented full Amnesty, or cancel all SP declares, and don’t declare people.
DM should abdicate, let Exec Strata become a think tank, and whittle away at ALL of the policy excesses that cause the movement it’s problems.
LRH’s macho Sea Org toughness and mostly hidden smaller time violence of his own (against Roos, against Mike Douglas), LRH’s violence has to be faced.
It’s part of why we have the group Int Base violence going on, and that includes “Knowledge Reports” PL which includes the “black eye” that the out ethics staff who is sticking pins in his fellow staff, is supposed to receive if that group is in ethics. So LRH’s figurative statements urging “black eyes” is there, to whomever is zealous enough to take LRH literally, and whoever is that sociopathic or if one is pushed to do this type of violence. (Stanley Milgram experiment must be googled and read to understand why people will do violence if an authority orders them to do violence to their fellow human beings.)
LRH is the one who wrote the policies of the mid to late 1960s, with some pretty harsh “heavy ethics” concepts. LRH’s late 1960s “SP Acts” and “High Crimes” just kept getting added to, all the way up to the Key to Life penalties, and even into the 1980s. LRH’s way of labeling what the outer boundaries of what is proper behavior in Scientology, it’s LRH’s lineup of “SP Acts” and “High Crimes” which LRH never softened (other than TWTH, but TWTH got shelved, I speculate, since MSH was made a head on a pike by the US Justice Dept and LRH was driven back into super irrate pissed off at society mode).
The reasons Scientologists get a bad rep does lead to LRH, and the history of Sea Org violence precedes DM.
Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org (1975-2003)
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