Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
For the first time, scientology.org is down for me, at this moment.
Paul
Paul
Is Scientology.org down?
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The OTs are too busy changing the text of Morton's book to snippets from 'The Way to Happiness' and 'What is Scientology?'
Zinj
Is there a Catholic priest in the audience?
Will an altar boy and seminary escapee do?
I may not effectively bless water, but, I can take a drop from a baptysmal font and fil a 5 gallon jug to sqiirt gun every demon or vampire available...
Zinj
You're kidding me; right?
'Religious Discrimination' certainly applies to the government, and, thanks to legal strictures, to public corporations and even people operating within legally regulated industries.
Are these idiots any of the above? Or, do you consider it 'discrimination' because your particular 'religion' happens to have attracted their 'attention'.
Ahem. Do I think their 'operation' is a good thing? You know better. Scientology is nothing more publicly than the 'science of whining about being oppressed'.
Youse guys *luv* this stuff; even though you 'pull it in'. And, you do. You deserve it, even if the people pointing to your actual *crimes* know damn well that you and yours will whine and cry and wail about your being victimized ruthless supermen
You putz
If you want to talk about religious *discrimination*, well, listen to this:
I cannot conceive of a Scientologist allowed a position of trust, such as a teacher, a banker or anyone with access to confidential information, much less any kind of local or national governmental position because, per KSW, the 'Church' of Scientology is *senior* to any other trust.
I do not consider it religoius discrimination to recognize that a Scientologist *must* defer to Scientology when in conflict with secular office.
A Scientologist *must* put Scientology first, or he is not a Scientologist. This includes any case where he must swear an oath and there is a *conflict of interest* with Scientology. In such a case, a Scientologiist *must* lie; perjure; obstruct justice etc.
To recognize that is not 'religious discrimination', it's purely sane.
Zinj
Fancy
Patron Meritorious
The church will have that website taken down.
I had one there and they had it taken down. I really did not care if they did nor not. It was not being used anyhow so I and IFA did nothing about it.
They won nothing on that round as I hear.
Barb
I had one there and they had it taken down. I really did not care if they did nor not. It was not being used anyhow so I and IFA did nothing about it.
They won nothing on that round as I hear.
Barb
Alex wants stories of Scientologists mauled by lions. He doesn't want to be mauled, and, he doesn't think any lions are going to specifically go after clams, but, he *wants* the stories.
It's his reality
Despite how 'accepted' Scientology is nowdays, while it goes 'mainstream'....ahem
Zinj
Pascal
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The End
Seems like the COS is finally getting it's due. Attracking attention from hackers. Then more evils minions will pounce, etc...
It's normal. The COS has failed in it's mission and now people are ripping it apart. Just like a lame auditor gets cans in his face after a while.
Sorry David, you aren't OT enough and never will be. Accept it and get help before it's too late you moron!
Seems like the COS is finally getting it's due. Attracking attention from hackers. Then more evils minions will pounce, etc...
It's normal. The COS has failed in it's mission and now people are ripping it apart. Just like a lame auditor gets cans in his face after a while.
Sorry David, you aren't OT enough and never will be. Accept it and get help before it's too late you moron!
Pascal
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programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
So, I guess that this doesn't require a botnet.
See this:
http://www.aseforums.com/viewtopic.php?topicid=4969
Some Info on Gigaloader:
http://del.icio.us/url/1d6be6805785968a7d3d083f5a0c8b6b?settagview=list
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Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Totally correct, Zinj. I agree 100%. Not one of your twaddle-moments.
For the record, for me right now scientology.org and dianetics.org are both completely down. The dianetics one was up for me the last time I mentioned the main one was down on this thread, so it looks like it's got worse for them.
Paul
alex
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Dont attack the messanger
Yesterday I posted a quote from the hackers web site. A site I went to after finding a link to it here on esmb, in a post by one of the "anons", which is what they call themselves.
Emma deleted it as I had failed to make clear that it was something I was exposing rather than something I was promoting. It contained references to illegal acts planned against the church.
I was also called an asshole and a cock sucker by this boards resident bouncer/cop/snitch.
But truth requires looking at the whole of the situation, both sides of a conflict, all the data, and that was my intent in posting the stratagey that the hackers are following. I believe it is valuable to know as much as possible about as many things as possible. Perhaps where I focus is not as well directed as it could be, but.....I mean well.
So from one of the hacker boards:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/Operation__CoSplay/index.php?showtopic=179
A snyopsis of their strategy including illeagal acts.
They plan commercial burglary, putting devices on church computers and stealing lists of "scientologists" to harass.
They plan to install key loggers and steal passwords.
The plan to clog the toilets!
And disgustingly they plan to fax "goatse" to the orgs.
Goatse is disturbing images of squashed bodies and extreme sex.
Such as at: http://www.rafflelot.com/images/
WARNING VERY DISTURBING.
So, is this deserving of support? The hacker method, or does it remind anyone of the very same "fair game" tactics reputed to be used by the church?
Its a challenging game to bring truth, love and sanity to life as we know it, and maybe I am not in the best position to do the most good, but I dont see the ends justifying the means in the hacker path either. Just more opterm in an inherently two terminal universe, when love is a one terminal state.
alex
Yesterday I posted a quote from the hackers web site. A site I went to after finding a link to it here on esmb, in a post by one of the "anons", which is what they call themselves.
Emma deleted it as I had failed to make clear that it was something I was exposing rather than something I was promoting. It contained references to illegal acts planned against the church.
I was also called an asshole and a cock sucker by this boards resident bouncer/cop/snitch.
But truth requires looking at the whole of the situation, both sides of a conflict, all the data, and that was my intent in posting the stratagey that the hackers are following. I believe it is valuable to know as much as possible about as many things as possible. Perhaps where I focus is not as well directed as it could be, but.....I mean well.
So from one of the hacker boards:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/Operation__CoSplay/index.php?showtopic=179
A snyopsis of their strategy including illeagal acts.
cosplay said:
They plan commercial burglary, putting devices on church computers and stealing lists of "scientologists" to harass.
They plan to install key loggers and steal passwords.
The plan to clog the toilets!
And disgustingly they plan to fax "goatse" to the orgs.
Goatse is disturbing images of squashed bodies and extreme sex.
Such as at: http://www.rafflelot.com/images/
WARNING VERY DISTURBING.
So, is this deserving of support? The hacker method, or does it remind anyone of the very same "fair game" tactics reputed to be used by the church?
Its a challenging game to bring truth, love and sanity to life as we know it, and maybe I am not in the best position to do the most good, but I dont see the ends justifying the means in the hacker path either. Just more opterm in an inherently two terminal universe, when love is a one terminal state.
alex
Free to shine
Shiny & Free
I see absolutely NO reason to post that info here.
I think it would be a good idea to at least edit out the direct paste so if anyone wants the full picture they can follow a link.
I agree that what happened in chat was over the top.
That's no reason to respond and bring hate to this board with this post - it is certainly does not bring truth, love and sanity. There is plenty of info out there on what's going on if you want to find it - this isn't the place.
Alex, do you perhaps think that the CofS is reaping what it has sowed?
You say you are looking at both sides of the conflict, so you will agree that the CofS' years of abuse, intimidation, threats and worse is now coming back to haunt them.
Hubbard's own illegal black ops are being used against them. Looks like these guys have learned Ron's GO/OSA tech pretty well!
You say you are looking at both sides of the conflict, so you will agree that the CofS' years of abuse, intimidation, threats and worse is now coming back to haunt them.
Hubbard's own illegal black ops are being used against them. Looks like these guys have learned Ron's GO/OSA tech pretty well!
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
I agree that all that is better not posted here. A link would work just as well.
I love the bit about putting "all of the known facts of Scientology, and its inner workings, in one repeating flash video". If nothing else, that should convince people in the CofS that this isn't coming from any ex-Scio or usual critic! Unless they've started making 1 TB Flash videos.
Maybe someone should tell them that the names of the richest and most prominent public Scientologists are readily available online in lists of high-level completions and IAS hot-shot donors. I don't see their current plan to be that workable, unless someone working at a Cont- or Int-level org copies the address-list. That would be illegal, anyway. I don't agree with harassing these people by sending them violent and/or pornographic images, but informing them of some truths about the CofS can't be worse than borderline objectionable. After all, they have to take some responsibility for continuing to support the CofS--they can't be totally blind to the abuses.
Paul
I love the bit about putting "all of the known facts of Scientology, and its inner workings, in one repeating flash video". If nothing else, that should convince people in the CofS that this isn't coming from any ex-Scio or usual critic! Unless they've started making 1 TB Flash videos.
Maybe someone should tell them that the names of the richest and most prominent public Scientologists are readily available online in lists of high-level completions and IAS hot-shot donors. I don't see their current plan to be that workable, unless someone working at a Cont- or Int-level org copies the address-list. That would be illegal, anyway. I don't agree with harassing these people by sending them violent and/or pornographic images, but informing them of some truths about the CofS can't be worse than borderline objectionable. After all, they have to take some responsibility for continuing to support the CofS--they can't be totally blind to the abuses.
Paul
nw2394
Silver Meritorious Patron
No, of course not.
The "church" you refer to has written policy, for example, to use the court system, not to win genuine cases, but to harass. A policy which it follows. It therefore, by admission of it own policy and actions, abuses something that the rest of us think (perhaps naively) as a right of citizenship.
Does such a "church" have a right to claim being a victim of harassment?
Certainly you cannot just sit there and claim that the CoS is simply and innocently trying "to bring truth".
Nick
alex
Gold Meritorious Patron
I think it is on topic in the thread and enlightening. The people who posted it are registered here and posting also, so knowing the mentality of these new players is important.
Chat was fun. I hadnt been live bullbaited in a while.
Its not my hate that the post is about, and it IS part of the truth. I'm sorry though that you were unhappy about it. That was not my intent.
I find it fascinating.
alex
alex
Gold Meritorious Patron
You're kidding me; right?
'Religious Discrimination' certainly applies to the government, and, thanks to legal strictures, to public corporations and even people operating within legally regulated industries.
Are these idiots any of the above? Or, do you consider it 'discrimination' because your particular 'religion' happens to have attracted their 'attention'.
Ahem. Do I think their 'operation' is a good thing? You know better. Scientology is nothing more publicly than the 'science of whining about being oppressed'.
Youse guys *luv* this stuff; even though you 'pull it in'. And, you do. You deserve it, even if the people pointing to your actual *crimes* know damn well that you and yours will whine and cry and wail about your being victimized ruthless supermen
You putz
If you want to talk about religious *discrimination*, well, listen to this:
I cannot conceive of a Scientologist allowed a position of trust, such as a teacher, a banker or anyone with access to confidential information, much less any kind of local or national governmental position because, per KSW, the 'Church' of Scientology is *senior* to any other trust.
I do not consider it religoius discrimination to recognize that a Scientologist *must* defer to Scientology when in conflict with secular office.
A Scientologist *must* put Scientology first, or he is not a Scientologist. This includes any case where he must swear an oath and there is a *conflict of interest* with Scientology. In such a case, a Scientologiist *must* lie; perjure; obstruct justice etc.
To recognize that is not 'religious discrimination', it's purely sane.
Zinj
Nope. Not kidding.
Zinj, there are already scientologists running banks, holding public office, teaching and such. Your assertion that they would defer to the church is absurd.
I had a government security clearance with the full knowledge of the FBI that I was a scientologist.
You would be surprised to find scientologist in the media, law, and commerce functioning just as every other citizen, with out conflict and with out problems. Its the scientologists you dont see who are making the changes.
alex
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