OT IX and X are coming
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Dulloldfart
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Could you be more specific? Who is reported to have said what, when and where exactly? I'm not asking you to reveal any personal details, but you must know more than you have posted. People are doing "OT IX set-ups" already, but that just sounds like a PR name for an OT VIII who maybe needs an L1C. It doesn't mean OT IX is getting released next week.
Paul
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Panda Termint
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(4) Something to deliver. 
Axiom142
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(4) Something to deliver.
Good point Panda.
But, they could offer any old mumbo-jumbo crap and who would know the difference?
Actually that brings to mind a question that you might be able to answer.
Were any of the materials for OTVIII in Hubbard’s own handwriting? But I suppose that this could be forged easily enough if they wanted to lend some (false) authenticity to OTIX and X.
How about we all have a go at guessing what is on these levels?
Axiom142
Dulloldfart
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As I keep saying, "All orgs Saint Hill size" is impossible. Even if there are a million orgs that are Saint Hill size in some fantasy-land ultra-thriving scenario, there will still be loads of new groups forming up; groups turning into missions; missions turning into small orgs; small orgs turning into large orgs; and large orgs going SH size. If they mean "all existing orgs SH size" or "150 orgs SH size" they have never said it. I guess they know they're just full of shit since it hasn't made sense from Day 1.
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I have been told a number of time by various terminals at Flag and some Class V orgs and public that they have been told St. Hill size is no longer a requirement. Instead, a certain number of orgs need to become Ideal Orgs, which is why you hear far more about this, and there is much more of a push to get the Ideal Org setup instead of St. Hill.
Axiom142
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The way things are going, I think that any orgs being St Hill size is impossible!
I always used to be amazed when staff used to mention this requirement and then never see the impossibility of it. Just shows that they don’t think about what they are saying, merely repeat whatever they’ve been told.
But, I do recall being told a couple of years ago that the requirement had been amended to all current orgs to be St Hill size.
So that’s never then.
But the beauty of this, is that they have a permanent carrot to dangle in front of all those public who are OTVIII. It can be used as an inducement to join staff and work for the CoS for nothing.
Clever eh?
Axiom142
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Right. They'd have to stop allowing any Mission from becoming an Org until the last Org made it.
With 6 million (10 million?) Scientologists, in the world's fastest growing religion, going straight up and vertical, uh, are you sure the target wasn't already made and we just missed noticing? :confused2:
Blue Spirit
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OBVIOUS OUTPOINTS
1> The 4 items put in place before release of OT 9 are
VERY Arbitrary and VERY illogical as OT 9 & 10 would be
needed to have all Saint Hill size orgs in the first place.
2> A full-blown SP as DM is and was would never be able to
bring themselves to give out a "standard" workable product.
He has Sabotaged the workibility of Solo Nots and OT 8.
Also look at the added time added into the game and also for
Super Power which in itself is a purposeful Sabotage.
LRH said it was to be released in 1978, so thirty years later
there is no product ! Suppressive or accidental ???
The "Ideal Org" and Super Power projects are NOT about
helping anybody, but are only about stalling while the planet's
society disentegrates,
And about having massive amounts of MEST, as virtually empty
shells Not containing a real functioning organization with the
products of people trained to audit each other up the Bridge.
The REASONABLENESS of Scientologists never ceases to amaze me.
1> The 4 items put in place before release of OT 9 are
VERY Arbitrary and VERY illogical as OT 9 & 10 would be
needed to have all Saint Hill size orgs in the first place.
2> A full-blown SP as DM is and was would never be able to
bring themselves to give out a "standard" workable product.
He has Sabotaged the workibility of Solo Nots and OT 8.
Also look at the added time added into the game and also for
Super Power which in itself is a purposeful Sabotage.
LRH said it was to be released in 1978, so thirty years later
there is no product ! Suppressive or accidental ???
The "Ideal Org" and Super Power projects are NOT about
helping anybody, but are only about stalling while the planet's
society disentegrates,
And about having massive amounts of MEST, as virtually empty
shells Not containing a real functioning organization with the
products of people trained to audit each other up the Bridge.
The REASONABLENESS of Scientologists never ceases to amaze me.
Number 4 is that all Class V's be either ideal or Saint hill size. DM knows this is impossible and like he always has, he is releasing something for the money. This would also be complete with Universe Corp taking staff up to OTV and Class VIII in the Class V orgs.
I wonder how much of that will be into their reserves? It seems to me like that is the only way Scientology is going to survive and even that is not working for them.
I wonder how much of that will be into their reserves? It seems to me like that is the only way Scientology is going to survive and even that is not working for them.
knn
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I was informed several years ago that "All orgs saint hill size" has to be interpreted as "All current orgs saint hill size" where "current" = "at the time the requirement was written".
However this requirement is a hidden data line since it's not mentioned anywhere in the HCOPLs. But hey, neither is the current bridge. KSW goes out of the window right there... at the beginning of your Scn journey.
knn
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It isn't arbitrary if you hypothesize the following:
The reason for "Saint Hill Size" and "Supression handled" is that OT 9 & 10 will make a lot of people recognize "Wow there is a lot of true power emanating from these buildings and from these OTs. They look and behave POWERFUL" and thus SPs will go crazy even more. Thus it must first be ensured that Scientology will not be forbidden = A lot of large orgs in a lot of countries.
However, before one raves about new OT levels one should not forget how the life of LRH ended.
MostlyLurker
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They started years ago to use the imminent release of OT IX & OT X to recruit new people.
knn
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Yes, but only recently they started to put people onto OT 9-preps
ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn
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1> The 4 items put in place before release of OT 9 are
VERY Arbitrary and VERY illogical as OT 9 & 10 would be
needed to have all Saint Hill size orgs in the first place.
2> A full-blown SP as DM is and was would never be able to
bring themselves to give out a "standard" workable product.
He has Sabotaged the workibility of Solo Nots and OT 8.
Also look at the added time added into the game and also for
Super Power which in itself is a purposeful Sabotage.
LRH said it was to be released in 1978, so thirty years later
there is no product ! Suppressive or accidental ???
The "Ideal Org" and Super Power projects are NOT about
helping anybody, but are only about stalling while the planet's
society disentegrates,
And about having massive amounts of MEST, as virtually empty
shells Not containing a real functioning organization with the
products of people trained to audit each other up the Bridge.
The REASONABLENESS of Scientologists never ceases to amaze me.
I wouldn't blame any of this on Miscavige. Hubbard's material was never workable to begin with. Miscavige has become a convenient excuse. The truth of the matter is Hubbard's scam never delivered what it claimed to begin with. In fact if Hubbard were still alive and running the cult, he would probably have the OTs running The Flintstones and Jetsons by now
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