Miscavige's niece speaks up on disconnection

[Zinjifar]

Well, there is a rumor that Anonymous was monitoring the Church's phone lines and happened to record one of these calls. When Mariah was told this, she asked how anyone would think it was her on the tape. Well, Mariah starts out the call with, "This is Mariah Pearse from OSA CW." When Mariah heard this, she said "I have to go!" and hung up.

I saw this earlier on ARS, and, the only part I find dubious is the above. Anonymous 'monitoring' phone lines is a difference in kind, not just degree, from anything demonstrated up till now.

Lacking any other evidence, I'm just not buying it.

Could there be a tape? Well, yes, I could see that. Someone *receiving* the phone call could have recorded and leaked it; depending on state, it could even be legal.

Federal law is 'one party', meaning that one party to the conversation must be aware of the recording.

"12 states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.

It is illegal under all jurisdictions to record calls in which one is not a party."

So, in Florida, both parties must know, however, this would be unenforceable across state lines, so, from OSA Clearwater to another state.

Remember Linda Tripp?

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

Sorry.

I don't like illegal wiretapping.

I don't like it when the government does it.

I don't like it when Scientology does it.

And I don't like it when Anonymous does it.

 

[Zinjifar]

Sorry.

I don't like illegal wiretapping.

I don't like it when the government does it.

I don't like it when Scientology does it.

And I don't like it when Anonymous does it.

Well, like I said, I doubt Anymous did it, because I doubt Anonymous *could* do it. Sounds more like the usual 'We are borg' hype, and, naturally, there are probably some who would like to improve the paranoia level for the 'Church' (improve as in heighten) because of the wacky things they do the more paranoid they get.

I'd *like* it if the government was tapping their phones, assuming a warrant, since it would demonstrate at least a sane awareness and interest level. But, I kind of doubt it.

There may be a tape, but, there are other than illegal ways it could have been made; ones not requiring 'anonymous'.

Zinj

 

[Div6]

But it does play into the cult mythos of being "fabian" and "ethics presence".

 

[Div6]

This post should be permanently posted as visible.......karma is a bummer, eh?

 

[The Oracle]

I had no idea until I was audited on NOTS, how family and tribes stick together. "Blood is thick" is an understatement. I saw tribes of people and their people behind them. Entire tribes in my space and some of them I hung on to and would not audit out or even attempt to face because it was not an aberrative element that was a glue to hold us together. You go to many places on the globe as I have, and find people in Italy, Spain, Mexico and Israel that will not put Scientology above the family. "Never withdraw allegience once granted" is a code that was lived by long before the term "Scientology" was coined.

It is wrong to force people to violate their own code of honor.

I myself finally left, when I was asked to do just that.

Scientology is a new and fragile movement. And a very short and temporary adventure. From the bottom to the top.

Your honor is something you have to carry with you through eternity.

And it was what bought us all in to the good fortune of the practices we have embraced.

I always refused to turn against anyone in the church for any reason, even people declared. I refused to inherit other people's enemies because of paper saying I should do so.

I was confronted a few times about this by CMO or other people, mainly ethics officers, and just said it was not possible for me.

It must have been O.K. because nobody ever took me in to a court of any kind for refusing to turn my back on someone.

I didn't understand the wives that turned against their husbands, the husbands that turned against their wives, the children and parents that turned on one another due to this dance with "self improvment".

I do understand that no one loved Hubbard enough to change the policies that bought his knowledge down and cover his back.

I've loved a lot of people that made serious mistakes, and I loved them enough to cover their back on these.

Hubbard never wrote a policy forbidding anyone to love him in this way.

He not only did not have love, he did not have friends.

He had blind fear worshippers that in the end sabatoged as well as could be done his work of value.

The most awesome tragedy I have ever seen.

He was right when he wrote that very few people knew what love was.

Love is an unconditional element.

It's above ethics.

You think OSA doesn't know who I am?

You think OSA wouldn't like to put me up on religious freedom web site?

You think OSA hasn't tried?

Noone will come forward to say something negative about me.

Maybe I didn't start a new religion.

Maybe I have only helped a little compared to others.

But I never hurt anyone when I was involved with Scientology.

And the people that knew me knew I cared about the people in front of me.

Even the people in the Church know I care about them.

You can't deny that love and caring about other people is a positive magick.

And you only get into problems for yourself or with others when this magick is interupted.

All you really have to do on this planet to have the red carpet roll out in front of you, is to care about the person in front of you.

You can blame things on Hubbard, the Sea Org, the tech, the policy, but when it all comes down to an essential WHY, it is all because someone wouldn't or couldn't care about the person in front of them.

And this is in every arena of chaos and confusion.

How long can people blame a dead man and a body of knowledge for all of the people bankrupt of care?

That is injustice and itself an indicator of emotional bankruptcy.

Every disagreement I had I voiced before I left, and I sent DM a few letters.

Do I think he ever got them? No.

But if he didn't it was by his own orders to keep critisism off his lines, not by the fact that I could not care about him and his church.

I still think the people who protest on these forums do so not from hate, but from love of the game and in hopes that someday, in someway, someone will be able to know about what needs to be fixed and actually do it and care about them for caring enough to say something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hzxxoVCobQ


T.I.

 

[Veda]

I had no idea until I was audited on NOTS, how family and tribes stick together. "Blood is thick" is an understatement. I saw tribes of people and their people behind them. Entire tribes in my space and some of them I hung on to and would not audit out or even attempt to face because it was not an aberrative element that was a glue to hold us together. You go to many places on the globe as I have, and find people in Italy, Spain, Mexico and Israel that will not put Scientology above the family. "Never withdraw allegience once granted" is a code that was lived by long before the term "Scientology" was coined.

It is wrong to force people to violate their own code of honor.

I myself finally left, when I was asked to do just that.

Scientology is a new and fragile movement. And a very short and temporary adventure. From the bottom to the top.

Your honor is something you have to carry with you through eternity.

And it was what bought us all in to the good fortune of the practices we have embraced.

I always refused to turn against anyone in the church for any reason, even people declared. I refused to inherit other people's enemies because of paper saying I should do so.

I was confronted a few times about this by CMO or other people, mainly ethics officers, and just said it was not possible for me.

It must have been O.K. because nobody ever took me in to a court of any kind for refusing to turn my back on someone.

I didn't understand the wives that turned against their husbands, the husbands that turned against their wives, the children and parents that turned on one another due to this dance with "self improvment".

I do understand that no one loved Hubbard enough to change the policies that bought his knowledge down and cover his back.

I've loved a lot of people that made serious mistakes, and I loved them enough to cover their back on these.

Hubbard never wrote a policy forbidding anyone to love him in this way.

He not only did not have love, he did not have friends.

He had blind fear worshippers that in the end sabatoged as well as could be done his work of value.

The most awesome tragedy I have ever seen.

He was right when he wrote that very few people knew what love was.

-snip-

T.I.

Ron Hubbard, as the unloved victim?

Hardly.

People made huge sacrifices for Ron Hubbard. His wife served time in federal prison, in his place, for his crimes.

People sacrificed not only their fortunes but years of their lives for Ron Hubbard.

And reform? Many tried.

Unfortunately, Hubbard had an ulterior motive from day one. Something that those who loved him didn't suspect.

 

[shader]

I saw this earlier on ARS, and, the only part I find dubious is the above. Anonymous 'monitoring' phone lines is a difference in kind, not just degree, from anything demonstrated up till now.

Lacking any other evidence, I'm just not buying it.

I agree, with one caveat.

It is a long time since being a "hacker" automatically implied proficiency at exploiting holes in the telephone system. Even if there are some Phreakers from the 2600 days involved with the Chanology project, the US phone network has changed drastically since those days and I'd guess it is no longer very easy to abuse.

However, i did hear somewhere in the last 2 weeks, it may even have been on Anonymous Chanology IRC, that CoS uses VOIP telephony (internet phones) between some orgs in the US. Many companies provide a VOIP to landline calling service.

If Anon has been able to compromise a machine on the OSA network, there is a minor chance they could have access to the audio of VOIP calls.

Of course, if they have "owned" any OSA boxen, they would have access to _much_ more interesting material than phone calls to myspacers...

 

[Div6]

And if any are using Skype, there are "known vulnerabilities" with that as well...

 

[petraph33]

And if any are using Skype, there are "known vulnerabilities" with that as well...

Some more details please, regarding SKYPE... I am looged on permanently in SKYPE at home, shall I change that setting then??

 

[alex]

I had no idea until I was audited on NOTS, how family and tribes stick together. "Blood is thick" is an understatement. I saw tribes of people and their people behind them. Entire tribes in my space and some of them I hung on to and would not audit out or even attempt to face because it was not an aberrative element that was a glue to hold us together. You go to many places on the globe as I have, and find people in Italy, Spain, Mexico and Israel that will not put Scientology above the family. "Never withdraw allegience once granted" is a code that was lived by long before the term "Scientology" was coined.

It is wrong to force people to violate their own code of honor.

I myself finally left, when I was asked to do just that.

Scientology is a new and fragile movement. And a very short and temporary adventure. From the bottom to the top.

Your honor is something you have to carry with you through eternity.

And it was what bought us all in to the good fortune of the practices we have embraced.

I always refused to turn against anyone in the church for any reason, even people declared. I refused to inherit other people's enemies because of paper saying I should do so.

I was confronted a few times about this by CMO or other people, mainly ethics officers, and just said it was not possible for me.

It must have been O.K. because nobody ever took me in to a court of any kind for refusing to turn my back on someone.

I didn't understand the wives that turned against their husbands, the husbands that turned against their wives, the children and parents that turned on one another due to this dance with "self improvment".

I do understand that no one loved Hubbard enough to change the policies that bought his knowledge down and cover his back.

I've loved a lot of people that made serious mistakes, and I loved them enough to cover their back on these.

Hubbard never wrote a policy forbidding anyone to love him in this way.

He not only did not have love, he did not have friends.

He had blind fear worshippers that in the end sabatoged as well as could be done his work of value.

The most awesome tragedy I have ever seen.

He was right when he wrote that very few people knew what love was.

Love is an unconditional element.

It's above ethics.

You think OSA doesn't know who I am?

You think OSA wouldn't like to put me up on religious freedom web site?

You think OSA hasn't tried?

Noone will come forward to say something negative about me.

Maybe I didn't start a new religion.

Maybe I have only helped a little compared to others.

But I never hurt anyone when I was involved with Scientology.

And the people that knew me knew I cared about the people in front of me.

Even the people in the Church know I care about them.

You can't deny that love and caring about other people is a positive magick.

And you only get into problems for yourself or with others when this magick is interupted.

All you really have to do on this planet to have the red carpet roll out in front of you, is to care about the person in front of you.

You can blame things on Hubbard, the Sea Org, the tech, the policy, but when it all comes down to an essential WHY, it is all because someone wouldn't or couldn't care about the person in front of them.

And this is in every arena of chaos and confusion.

How long can people blame a dead man and a body of knowledge for all of the people bankrupt of care?

That is injustice and itself an indicator of emotional bankruptcy.

Every disagreement I had I voiced before I left, and I sent DM a few letters.

Do I think he ever got them? No.

But if he didn't it was by his own orders to keep critisism off his lines, not by the fact that I could not care about him and his church.

I still think the people who protest on these forums do so not from hate, but from love of the game and in hopes that someday, in someway, someone will be able to know about what needs to be fixed and actually do it and care about them for caring enough to say something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hzxxoVCobQ


T.I.

"Love is an unconditional element."

Which allows for multiple viewpoints to co exist, either within one creator, or amoung many.

Thanks TI.

alex

 

[alex]

I always get an exterior viewpoint on "track" listening to cyndi lauper's "time after time"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZYxsUDZQ4Q

alex

 

[Div6]

Some more details please, regarding SKYPE... I am looged on permanently in SKYPE at home, shall I change that setting then??

The Skype advisory is here: http://skype.com/security/skype-sb-2008-002.html

A more human understandable explanation is here:http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9057778&pageNumber=2


Skype is saying they have fixed it in the LATEST version of their software, so if you are not running the latest it would be prudent to upgrade.

 

[petraph33]

The Skype advisory is here: http://skype.com/security/skype-sb-2008-002.html

A more human understandable explanation is here:http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9057778&pageNumber=2


Skype is saying they have fixed it in the LATEST version of their software, so if you are not running the latest it would be prudent to upgrade.

thanks very much for this.

 

[The Oracle]

I always get an exterior viewpoint on "track" listening to cyndi lauper's "time after time"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZYxsUDZQ4Q

alex

There are so many great people out there who really have a large view. So many positive messages in the music.

Time after time is a good one.

T.I.

 

[Free to shine]

Jenna Miscavide and MySpace

I almost forgot, this was Jenna Miscavige's response to OSA killing off her MySpace friends due to her connection to a few "unsavory" characters. She sent this message to every single one of her friends on Myspace!

Unti next time...
BFG


"From: Jenna
Date: Oct 16, 2007 8:26 PM


If there is anyone who is currently a friend on my page who has a problem with _____or _____, ____, ____ or ______ being on my page. To put it nicely...Get the fuck off my page!!

I am sick of this Scientology discriminatory bullshit. The truth of the matter is that if you are willing to dump your friends based on the word of the church or because your friend is connected to someone who the church frowns upon - YOU AREN"T MY FRIEND!! and I don't need you in my life. (You are probably also a self centered ass kisser too

I am sorry for those who are caught up in the mix because the Church won't let you talk to your families if you talk to my friends and thus me. You can take your name off my page and we can still message each other with out the watchful eyes of IJC perving out on your page.

Peace."

 

[Terril park]

I almost forgot, this was Jenna Miscavige's response to OSA killing off her MySpace friends due to her connection to a few "unsavory" characters. She sent this message to every single one of her friends on Myspace!

Unti next time...
BFG


"From: Jenna
Date: Oct 16, 2007 8:26 PM


If there is anyone who is currently a friend on my page who has a problem with _____or _____, ____, ____ or ______ being on my page. To put it nicely...Get the fuck off my page!!

I am sick of this Scientology discriminatory bullshit. The truth of the matter is that if you are willing to dump your friends based on the word of the church or because your friend is connected to someone who the church frowns upon - YOU AREN"T MY FRIEND!! and I don't need you in my life. (You are probably also a self centered ass kisser too

I am sorry for those who are caught up in the mix because the Church won't let you talk to your families if you talk to my friends and thus me. You can take your name off my page and we can still message each other with out the watchful eyes of IJC perving out on your page.

Peace."

She has a beautiful way with words.

 

[Alanzo]

I almost forgot, this was Jenna Miscavige's response to OSA killing off her MySpace friends due to her connection to a few "unsavory" characters. She sent this message to every single one of her friends on Myspace!

Unti next time...
BFG


"From: Jenna
Date: Oct 16, 2007 8:26 PM


If there is anyone who is currently a friend on my page who has a problem with _____or _____, ____, ____ or ______ being on my page. To put it nicely...Get the fuck off my page!!

I am sick of this Scientology discriminatory bullshit. The truth of the matter is that if you are willing to dump your friends based on the word of the church or because your friend is connected to someone who the church frowns upon - YOU AREN"T MY FRIEND!! and I don't need you in my life. (You are probably also a self centered ass kisser too

I am sorry for those who are caught up in the mix because the Church won't let you talk to your families if you talk to my friends and thus me. You can take your name off my page and we can still message each other with out the watchful eyes of IJC perving out on your page.

Peace."

"Perving", indeed!

 

[Div6]

It's straight from teh Old Man:

"A Third Dynamic abberation is the PERVERSION of Justice."

She's da tek.

 

[sandygirl]

Wow! I really used to doubt myself for having doubts-then I see that someone like Jenna refuses to let herself be driven into fear. One thing I haven't noticed being talked about on this board is the harassment factor in trying to leave! I was not OSA or staff- just a public whom absolutly could not take the constant phone calls, demands for $, etc.!! I would like to share some of these crazy stories and what it took to finally get the church off your back!