RogerB
Crusader
Roger’s Journal, 2010
I wrestled with whether to call this thread Roger’s Journal; this is response to several requests that I promised to fulfill, or whether to give it a technical name based on its subject matter and content.
Being a techie, tech won out.
Be warned, this following might shake up a stable datum or two
This first installment is comment on what I have found to be the biggest, most catastrophic goof in Scn tech that has yet not been recognized as such nor commented on anywhere (that I have seen).
As I look at this now, I can’t help thinking this might likely be the why, apart from the extent of abusive behavior by those in power, that Scn has become a failing piece of technology . . . but then, the abuse might even be explained by this gross, monster tech error that is inherent and built into its practice.
Alan Walter made a comment in his thread titled: “L10 and Obesity” here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=7556
His comment got me to wondering as to what exactly had gone out: what was the tech factor that was the actual goof. Alan did not explain it. Whether he had unraveled what the actual tech point error is or not, I don’t know.
What he wrote in his opening post on the above thread was:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=476592&postcount=25
Trey explained that the L’s (or so he was told) were, in part, an extension of research based on the old early “GPMs” tech. This was new info to me.
He also, however, made two statements that were true: a) the GPMs were/are composed of Identities; a hung up structure of Identity versus counter Identity (certainly the putative own goals GPMs are) and b) what was being sought (in 1962 with own goals GPMs) was the GPM affecting you in present time. This I can vouch for as I ran that old stuff as and when released.
But what interested me was the way in which the “L’s tech” apparently related to the old GPM tech and their identities structure.
So I looked at the L10 R/D Trey had mentioned.
It says on page 534 of the on-line available PDF “Scientology OT levels” the following:
As it happened, even that last paragraph didn’t tip me off when I first read it. It was like: “Well, OK, that makes sense!” But I did feel a mass turn on slightly while I digested the statement, but ignored it as business as usual (One did get so used to this sort of thing happening, and then looking forward to the next session to “handle” it!
Page 548 has the specific description of L10, and the actual R/D is given on the pages following.
While there are a number of steps and different handlings for various areas of the R/D, this is what I observed.
On Page 549:
Areas/items to handle:
On Page 553, we see the questions to use on what is labeled the 8D RUNDOWN
I won’t list the entire series; it is long. But here is a sample for the questions for the 2D:
Here is another example from Page 560: the OVERTS BY DYNAMICS R/D
And it was here, when looking at all the above, that I saw what the hell had been screwing up all our cases since the beginning!
Notice that all those questions above, put you into the past!
Here is a datum. An important datum.
What is screwing up the present is in the PRESENT, it is here, now, doing its screwing up here, now! It is NOT in the past nor necessarily of the past! (I will get into the mechanics of this time notion/factor later on.)
What I saw is that the error which is endemic and a core erroneous principle in/of Scn is the idea that what is bugging you is in the past or from the past. This is a colossal error, and one that has screwed us all up.
Looking at the development of the tech, we can see how this error came into being and how it seemed so logical, and Oh so right to think that. It began with the early “successes” with Dianetics, and carried forward as “the truth behind what bugs you in Scn.” Of course this notion that what is bugging you and wrong with you is in or from your past didn’t begin with Dianetics. Hubbard took the notion from others.
What I realized in looking at all this is that virtually everyone in Scn has been hooked on the idea that what is “wrong with them,” and what is bugging them, is in or from their past . . . . when in fact, what has to be found, corrected and handled is in the present, NOW!
These are the questions that are being asked in all the R/Ds: “Have you ever . . .” “Have you or did you . . .?” That’s putting you in the past!
The questions should be rephrased so as to pick up the in present time, now, action that is screwing up the game. And folks need to be brought to a new understanding of what is going on. It’s not the past: it is the now that is screwing up the present and your futures.
The question needs to be: “Is there . . . ?” or “Are you . . . ?”
Now it may be true that the genesis of the now screwy action is in the past, but you should look in the present for the now screwy action . . . for that is where it is active.
The big, big error has been the constant ransacking of the past looking for things that MIGHT be active in the present and screwing it up. The trap in ransacking and stirring up all of the past in order to find the very few “items,” actions, intentions, solutions etc., that need be found is that you make all of the past live and stick the client back out of PT and into his past!
And this is what Alan wrote of. It is what I also experienced but didn’t particularly realize it till just these last few weeks. It’s been a colossal relief to let the past go, to let it settle out back into the past and to myself come (more) fully into PT and direct my powers, abilities, awareness and presence here where they can do their good.
The fact is, for the last fifty years or so, I’ve been stuck out of PT but trying to handle it and get better, etc., etc., and not aware of the actual what and why of my relative difficulties in operating.
Even so, it is true that I continued to get gains with the correct tech . . . but the truth is, I was actually handling a lot of unnecessary shit. (And OT3 and NOTs, forget about it . . . they are a destructive waste of time.)
What should have been located and addressed was: WHAT WAS I DOING IN PRESENT TIME TO SCREW UP MY PRESENT TIME!! For the fact is, that is where I live and should be playing the game: not in the past!
You old-timer will remember we used to often use the command at the end of sessions: “Come up to (or back up to) Present Time.” This has dropped out in “standard tech.”
This is now long. Other related pieces on another page,
RogerB
I wrestled with whether to call this thread Roger’s Journal; this is response to several requests that I promised to fulfill, or whether to give it a technical name based on its subject matter and content.
Being a techie, tech won out.
Be warned, this following might shake up a stable datum or two
This first installment is comment on what I have found to be the biggest, most catastrophic goof in Scn tech that has yet not been recognized as such nor commented on anywhere (that I have seen).
As I look at this now, I can’t help thinking this might likely be the why, apart from the extent of abusive behavior by those in power, that Scn has become a failing piece of technology . . . but then, the abuse might even be explained by this gross, monster tech error that is inherent and built into its practice.
Alan Walter made a comment in his thread titled: “L10 and Obesity” here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=7556
His comment got me to wondering as to what exactly had gone out: what was the tech factor that was the actual goof. Alan did not explain it. Whether he had unraveled what the actual tech point error is or not, I don’t know.
What he wrote in his opening post on the above thread was:
The above stuck in my mind from when I first read it 18 months or so ago, till I listened to Trey Lots’s 2010 FZ presentation here:The simple fact is that the L's in most cases are non precision guestements of what could be wrong!
In my case they pulled whole track GPM or Games Matrice items out of sequence (Most likely delusional items) - then reinforced them as actual - this stuck me in a false delusive past!
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=476592&postcount=25
Trey explained that the L’s (or so he was told) were, in part, an extension of research based on the old early “GPMs” tech. This was new info to me.
He also, however, made two statements that were true: a) the GPMs were/are composed of Identities; a hung up structure of Identity versus counter Identity (certainly the putative own goals GPMs are) and b) what was being sought (in 1962 with own goals GPMs) was the GPM affecting you in present time. This I can vouch for as I ran that old stuff as and when released.
But what interested me was the way in which the “L’s tech” apparently related to the old GPM tech and their identities structure.
So I looked at the L10 R/D Trey had mentioned.
It says on page 534 of the on-line available PDF “Scientology OT levels” the following:
PURPOSE OF THE L’s
The Ls are intended to handle out-valence and evil purpose cases. We are handling
main areas of resistiveness that are stopping the person from expanding. On L10 we
handle the main valences that make him restrain his havingness. On L11 we handle evil
purposes that keep him from acting. On L12 we stabilize his certainty of being himself.
The 3 Ls roughly divide into Have (L10), Do (L11), and Be (L12).
Our main targets are past identities and evil purposes. We will gradually make the
person realize that they are not him and thereby free him from them.
As it happened, even that last paragraph didn’t tip me off when I first read it. It was like: “Well, OK, that makes sense!” But I did feel a mass turn on slightly while I digested the statement, but ignored it as business as usual (One did get so used to this sort of thing happening, and then looking forward to the next session to “handle” it!
Page 548 has the specific description of L10, and the actual R/D is given on the pages following.
While there are a number of steps and different handlings for various areas of the R/D, this is what I observed.
On Page 549:
Areas/items to handle:
6) Greatest Overt: L&N “What was the greatest overt you committed on the Whole
Track?” ... D/L + do FL0-4
7) E/Purp Multiple: (See ExDN pack in Vols.) “What evil purpose have you had
towards another?”
8) Lie RD: L&N “What was your greatest lie on the Whole Track?”
On Page 553, we see the questions to use on what is labeled the 8D RUNDOWN
I won’t list the entire series; it is long. But here is a sample for the questions for the 2D:
2D:
1. Is the 2D something to stay away from?
2. Have you been made to feel inadequate sexually?
3. Have you been made wrong for loving someone?
4. Have you desired someone and not won them over?
5. Was there someone that insisted you were at fault in the 2D?
6. Has a 2D partner used anger to get their way?
7. Have you been stopped on the 2D?
8. Has a 2D partner forced you into something you don’t want?
9. Have you gone along with a 2D when you knew it was wrong?
10. Have you conceded a major point on the 2D when you shouldn’t have?
11. Have you left a 2D for no good reason?
12. Have you harmed a 2D?
13. Have you withheld your true intentions to a 2D?
Here is another example from Page 560: the OVERTS BY DYNAMICS R/D
2ND DYNAMIC (Family)
1. Have you ever been a disturbing element in a family?
2. Have you ever joined a family out of revenge?
3. Have you ever disowned a member of your family?
4. Have you ever gotten a relative into trouble?
5. Have you ever worked against your family?
6. Have you ever badly raised a child?
7. Have you failed to provide for a child of yours?
8. Have you ever split up a family?
9. Have you ever had a bastard?
10. Have you ever passed off a bastard as legitimate?
11. Have you ever claimed a blood-relationship you didn’t have ?
12. Have you ever forced a child into an unsuitable profession?
13. Have you ever forced a child into a loveless marriage?
And it was here, when looking at all the above, that I saw what the hell had been screwing up all our cases since the beginning!
Notice that all those questions above, put you into the past!
Here is a datum. An important datum.
What is screwing up the present is in the PRESENT, it is here, now, doing its screwing up here, now! It is NOT in the past nor necessarily of the past! (I will get into the mechanics of this time notion/factor later on.)
What I saw is that the error which is endemic and a core erroneous principle in/of Scn is the idea that what is bugging you is in the past or from the past. This is a colossal error, and one that has screwed us all up.
Looking at the development of the tech, we can see how this error came into being and how it seemed so logical, and Oh so right to think that. It began with the early “successes” with Dianetics, and carried forward as “the truth behind what bugs you in Scn.” Of course this notion that what is bugging you and wrong with you is in or from your past didn’t begin with Dianetics. Hubbard took the notion from others.
What I realized in looking at all this is that virtually everyone in Scn has been hooked on the idea that what is “wrong with them,” and what is bugging them, is in or from their past . . . . when in fact, what has to be found, corrected and handled is in the present, NOW!
These are the questions that are being asked in all the R/Ds: “Have you ever . . .” “Have you or did you . . .?” That’s putting you in the past!
The questions should be rephrased so as to pick up the in present time, now, action that is screwing up the game. And folks need to be brought to a new understanding of what is going on. It’s not the past: it is the now that is screwing up the present and your futures.
The question needs to be: “Is there . . . ?” or “Are you . . . ?”
Now it may be true that the genesis of the now screwy action is in the past, but you should look in the present for the now screwy action . . . for that is where it is active.
The big, big error has been the constant ransacking of the past looking for things that MIGHT be active in the present and screwing it up. The trap in ransacking and stirring up all of the past in order to find the very few “items,” actions, intentions, solutions etc., that need be found is that you make all of the past live and stick the client back out of PT and into his past!
And this is what Alan wrote of. It is what I also experienced but didn’t particularly realize it till just these last few weeks. It’s been a colossal relief to let the past go, to let it settle out back into the past and to myself come (more) fully into PT and direct my powers, abilities, awareness and presence here where they can do their good.
The fact is, for the last fifty years or so, I’ve been stuck out of PT but trying to handle it and get better, etc., etc., and not aware of the actual what and why of my relative difficulties in operating.
Even so, it is true that I continued to get gains with the correct tech . . . but the truth is, I was actually handling a lot of unnecessary shit. (And OT3 and NOTs, forget about it . . . they are a destructive waste of time.)
What should have been located and addressed was: WHAT WAS I DOING IN PRESENT TIME TO SCREW UP MY PRESENT TIME!! For the fact is, that is where I live and should be playing the game: not in the past!
You old-timer will remember we used to often use the command at the end of sessions: “Come up to (or back up to) Present Time.” This has dropped out in “standard tech.”
This is now long. Other related pieces on another page,
RogerB