Pierre Ethier on the Freezone

[Panda Termint]

This thread gets creepier by the day!

 

[SomeGuy]

This thread gets creepier by the day!

I was just thinking the same thing.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I don't think it's odd that OSA hasn't done much to Terril. And this doesn't come from my personal bias. It's just that OSA has not targetted a lot of people who've spoken out. Someone told me a week or so ago that Nancy Many- who wrote a BOOK- was not targetted.

 

[Smilla]

I don't think it's odd that OSA hasn't done much to Terril. And this doesn't come from my personal bias. It's just that OSA has not targetted a lot of people who've spoken out. Someone told me a week or so ago that Nancy Many- who wrote a BOOK- was not targetted.

I don't think OSA has the resources to go after more than a few people anymore.

 

[pollywog]

Scoll down to....this?

"...Highly Commended


Terril Park (aka BB)

Terril Park is highly commended for his ongoing tireless efforts in bringing the Freezone and LRH technology to Anon and the world.

Terril carries out a never ending campaign to enlighten the anon group on the basics of the philosophy and technology and seeks to help them separate the technology out from the official church management and their draconian policies.

Despite being attacked on occasion and even banned from forums, Terril still continues to keep his TRs in and patiently and with compassion, pursue his work in bringing the philosophy and technology to anyone regardless of the consequences.

He has attended anon demonstrations and actively put the Freezone there as an alternative for the church, talking to people and explaining what the freezone and the philosophy and technology are and how they can be used.

Terril is to be highly commended and acknowledged for the outstanding work he has done.

Exec Council
IFA
for the
President
International Freezone Association"

Wog talking: Can I just say, the phrase "keep his TRs in" gives me the freaking willies.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I don't think it's odd that OSA hasn't done much to Terril. And this doesn't come from my personal bias. It's just that OSA has not targetted a lot of people who've spoken out. Someone told me a week or so ago that Nancy Many- who wrote a BOOK- was not targetted.

OSA only targets people that have believe they have leverage over, typically those who have relatives in the cult or those who actually take their fake CIA agent asses seriously. Look what happen when they tried to fuck with Emma and Sparrow, all that accomplished with their efforts was a few more idiots with missing toes and a whole lot more people willing to spend their free time taking down their sorry ass cult. They fuck with Marty because Marty is still owned and operated by his mentor David Miscavige, his entire existence is dedicated to David Miscavige.

 

[lotus]

Scoll down to....this?

"...Highly Commended


Terril Park (aka BB)

.... pursue his work in bringing the philosophy and technology to anyone regardless of the consequences.....


Terril is to be highly commended and acknowledged

Exec Council
IFA
for the
President
International Freezone Association"

 

[Terril park]

OSA never took you on directly. I find that quite strange Terril, don't you? Look at the trouble that Dominic O'Brien has had, Clive W, the Hauris, Pierre. And they leave Terril alone. Terril who is on all the communication lines. All your responses to my points are spin to get the subject off yourself and onto me as being OSA.

Lots more comments will be made.

Please tell me more about me being OSA.

 

[Infinite]

Just for the record . . .

Mark A. Baker | October 8, 2009 at 10:41 pm | Reply

Marty, it’s good to see you taking steps to undermine the RTC’s control of the Co$. It’s also a pleasure to see new groups forming in the Independent & Freezone Scientology movements. However, for many of us who have been active for more than 20 years in continuing to provide genuine scientology in the face of Co$ opposition & squirreling, you have a major credibility problem.

The fact remains you personally were very active in suppressing the actions of many of the finest old time & founding scientologists on the planet. You were absolutely instrumental in aiding and abetting David Miscavige’s squirreling of the fundamentals of scientology tech. And your role in actively & brutally suppressing not only field scientologists but active staff members of Co$ organizations is well established.

Hence, your endorsements are considered by many individuals, especially those who retained their own integrity in the face of your active suppression, as at best suspect.

My suggestion is, focus YOUR efforts on making amends for the abuses & criminal frauds perpetuated by you & your associates in the RTC over the last 27 years. You’ve a lot to make up for in your actions. Only by new efforts can you hope to overcome the brutalities of your past.

Best wishes along your new path,

Mark A. Baker

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/flag-squirrel-organization/#comment-2139

Mark A. Baker | September 23, 2010 at 11:35 pm | Reply

“Joy | September 22, 2010 at 6:53 am | Reply

With all do respect Joe,
I don’t believe for a moment that anyone in anonymous would or could be hired by DM & Co.”

Is it possible? Yes. Afterall, a**holes in Co$ management hired spies to infiltrate David Mayo’s AAC in Santa Barbara when he was being so successful revitalizing the field back in the early ’80s. Jerks from int will stop at NOTHING in pursuit of their own fanatic zealotry.

Is it likely? Not at all. Most importantly because the people who involve themselves with anon are volunteers who genuinely are seeking to end the abuses of the church of scientology as they understand them. They often don’t fully understand scientology, no surprises there. Upon exchanging views with various freezoners around the world and actually coming to understand something of the reality of the subject, anons have often found a new regard for the subject of scientology while nonetheless maintaining their customary disdain for the Co$ and Sea Org. Can’t fault them there. ;-)

Still, Anonymous is a decentralized phenomenon. It has no “command central” to be infiltrated. Thus, any attempts at bribery by OSA are simply throwing money away needlessly, something for which they are known, but not much cause for concern. Little useful intelligence can be gained through attempts at infiltration. The best they can hope to do is attempt to discredit individual anons and by extension the movement generally.

My money is on the anons. They are good bunch of young folk!

In contrast, OSA is a pack of wankers.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/anonymous-or-miscavige/#comment-51267

Mark A. Baker | April 13, 2011 at 10:08 pm | Reply

“I was willing to let bygones be bygones and largely have over the past two years. But, I think it is high time to clearly delineate what we stand for and distinguish it from others with not so lofty goals.”

Rather than ‘letting bygones be bygones’ you would accomplish more actual good by opening your board to a discussion of the actual facts relating to the history of the Church of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, and the gradual evolution of the scientology field from an open group of individuals interested in pursuing spiritual truth (1950s) through the formation of the Sea Org (mid-60s) and ultimately into a dangerous cult involving a cowed group of brainwashed individuals subject to the whims of the leadership of the Sea Org (destruction of the Mission Network to the present day).

If you are going to attempt to discredit others for their ‘attacks on LRH’, then it is only reasonable to consider what actions undertaken by LRH or expressly ordered by him which might have served as a basis for such perceived ‘attacks’.

As to the old timers who are only now ‘coming out of the woodwork’ because of all you have done in recent years, arguably its the Anonymous crowd who deserve the most credit for having renewed the current challenge to church leadership and encouraging those members of the church & former field who had been cowed & disaffected as a result of Sea Org actions & requirements to reconsider their individual relationships with the church, scientology, and L. Ron Hubbard.

The internet has proved to be a powerful tool for spreading truth & for the promoting the dissemination of tech. Personally, I have no doubt that had we had the internet available in its current form in the early 1980s, the church would have been successfully reformed and decades of misery avoided.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/before-you-knight-mayo/#comment-117676

. . . and there are more.

(What have I just done? Someone slap me)

 

[degraded being]

Terril reconcile and mediate that upset which freezone members are doing.
He is make da peace wif all da members. That's is becos he is the upstat.
He keep freezone all together and is one happy framily. So! that's good is it?
Now there is not the freezone cos Terril was dere. So, dey all run away. Oh no, I gotta misunderstood. Yes Terril is keep all of dem on the ARC becos he know everybody in every country. That's why they hate all of each other....ah, no sorry, that's why they do the auditing on the telephone. They don't do that one anymore of that auditing becos they hate each other. Is that how you say it in English? Now those ones that leaving the org and the saint hill and everything have nowhere to get the auditing cycle. The auditing cycle was as-is becos Mr Terril was there. Ha ha! That OSA is happy. That's good. I think it's best just don't fink and be happy about it. That's all. Thank you.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Terril reconcile and mediate that upset which freezone members are doing.
He is make da peace wif all da members. That's is becos he is the upstat.
He keep freezone all together and is one happy framily. So! that's good is it?
Now there is not the freezone cos Terril was dere. So, dey all run away. Oh no, I gotta misunderstood. Yes Terril is keep all of dem on the ARC becos he know everybody in every country. That's why they hate all of each other....ah, no sorry, that's why they do the auditing on the telephone. They don't do that one anymore of that auditing becos they hate each other. Is that how you say it in English? Now those ones that leaving the org and the saint hill and everything have nowhere to get the auditing cycle. The auditing cycle was as-is becos Mr Terril was there. Ha ha! That OSA is happy. That's good. I think it's best just don't fink and be happy about it. That's all. Thank you.

The Freezone isn't a cult, or so I'm told ... but it sure the hell looks like they want to be, unfortunately they just aren't relevant enough to be a cult

 

[lotus]

The Freezone is not a cult - no no

What does the IFA Do?

The IFA pursues its purposes of Preserving, Protecting and Promoting the original philosophy and technology of L. Ron Hubbard.


Since the future of mankind depends upon the retention of this technology in its original form and application, as that is the proven way to freedom for the individual, it now behooves upon us to take responsibility to ensure this technology is preserved in its original form and that it is protected from those who would seek to destroy it and that it is continued to be promoted so that it is available to others.



The futur of mankind depends upon this technology
AS that is the PROVEN WAY to freedom for the individual

CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ^^^^^^
Nothing of a cult here!

 

[Infinite]

Wog talking: Can I just say, the phrase "keep his TRs in" gives me the freaking willies.

Yeah, me too. Still, better than a freaky willy, I suppose:

.

 

[loose cannon]

As I don't audit others I have no knowledge of peoples case.

So please remember that you have no idea how hard are some PCs to handle when trying to play a self-appointed ethics authority on a highly trained and a productive auditor.

I do audit a bit, but I can't imagine, even I'd be a well-known FZ promoter, that if I did an ethics specialist course, I'd try to handle Pierre for example and be taken seriously by him.

If you find another auditor who can do a service to the nattery PC, it's fine. If you incessantly gossip your "friend" for something you thing was wrong, you're to be spat on and that's what's happening here. That's your own creation. So please take some responsibility for your own actions, will you?

 

[Vittorio]

I don't think OSA has the resources to go after more than a few people anymore.

Terril's been around for years.

Wog talking: Can I just say, the phrase "keep his TRs in" gives me the freaking willies.

Yes, but remember they are 'standard tech' per the works of 'Lafayette Ron Hubbard'. He is trying to keep his TR's in now and attack the message and not the messenger. Not once has Terril acknowledged the fact that a known plant came to his FZ group or that he sent data to Freezone Survivors. He is an absolute PR stalwart, passing over anything that exposes his hypocrisy and lies and tries to turn the subject onto his attacker.

Lots more comments will be made.

Please tell me more about me being OSA.

We want some ANSWERS T.Parks, something you've been refusing to give for years. Instead all we've got his Hubbard PR, Q & A and vague responses. How many UK course completions last year? How many Auditors trained? With all those hundreds of contacts, there must have been something? Why do you get involved in everyone else's business where you are nothing but a menace?

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/flag-squirrel-organization/#comment-2139


http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/anonymous-or-miscavige/#comment-51267


http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/before-you-knight-mayo/#comment-117676

. . . and there are more.

(What have I just done? Someone slap me)

The first two quotes are FZ'er bashing the Church. Only in the third does he attempt to be critical of Hubbard.

The Freezone is not a cult - no no

What does the IFA Do?

The IFA pursues its purposes of Preserving, Protecting and Promoting the original philosophy and technology of L. Ron Hubbard.


Since the future of mankind depends upon the retention of this technology in its original form and application, as that is the proven way to freedom for the individual, it now behooves upon us to take responsibility to ensure this technology is preserved in its original form and that it is protected from those who would seek to destroy it and that it is continued to be promoted so that it is available to others.



The futur of mankind depends upon this technology
AS that is the PROVEN WAY to freedom for the individual

CAN'T YOU SEE THAT ^^^^^^
Nothing of a cult here!

Well pointed out.

 

[Vittorio]

So please remember that you have no idea how hard are some PCs to handle when trying to play a self-appointed ethics authority on a highly trained and a productive auditor.

I do audit a bit, but I can't imagine, even I'd be a well-know FZ promoter, that if I did an ethics specialist course, I'd try to handle Pierre for example and be taken seriously by him.

If you find another auditor who can do a service to the nattery PC, it's fine. If you incessantly gossip your "friend" for something you thing was wrong, you're to be spat on and that's what's happening here. That's your own creation. So please take some responsibility for your own actions, will you?

Terril will take NO responsibility, let me assure you. He is gathering data about all and everyone for his own amusement and pleasure. He has no problem discussing PC's out of session with their auditors and n problem with conflict. If you are familiar with the original thread where the discussion was happening, you can see how reckless Terril is with the facts.

The problem with the FZ IMO, is that some of these 'highly trained auditors' have NO ETHICS. If you think about it for a moment, the guy who did two or three courses and was around from a few months to a few years is possibly mentality stronger than the person that hung around for 15 years, stacking up certs, and if the posts on the net are anything to go by, a great deal of unhappiness. The guy that leaves the quickest, does so the moment he discovers or sees something which is morally wrong and sees that it cannot be repaired. He does not let himself get walked all over. The mentally weak will justify and put up with about anything. When I went to the FZ, I went to an Auditor that happily stayed in the Church for many years knowing that people were locked in apartments and not allowed to leave and witnessing abuse happening for years. How can they put ethics in on others when they have none themselves?

 

[loose cannon]

The problem with the FZ IMO, is that some of these 'highly trained auditors' have NO ETHICS. If you think about it for a moment, the guy who did two or three courses and was around from a few months to a few years is possibly mentality stronger than the person that hung around for 15 years, stacking up certs, and if the posts on the net are anything to go by, a great deal of unhappiness. The guy that leaves the quickest, does so the moment he discovers or sees something which is morally wrong and sees that it cannot be repaired. He does not let himself get walked all over. The mentally weak will justify and put up with about anything. When I went to the FZ, I went to an Auditor that happily stayed in the Church for many years knowing that people were locked in apartments and not allowed to leave and witnessing abuse happening for years. How can they put ethics in on others when they have none themselves?

That's right. Someone just has so many certificates that he will take no handling. But, if ethical matters are to be solved, one must have a good idea of what he's dealing with. Mary Freeman is said to do a great job -- when she's asked to. But standing up on one's own and dabbling into something while being influenced by personal feelings won't make any good.

 

[MrNobody]

I'll leave Claires comments on that.



No need to quote Claire again.

<snip>

Which brings us back to square one. Dox. You have them?


Square 1 (extended): Balls. You have them?

When will you admit your fail and GTFO?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Fact remains that there are MANY outspoken critics AND Freezoners who were NOT declared and who do NOT get fair gamed.

Speculations about the lives of other contributors seems to me to be contra to the ROCs of the board. But then again, I suppose it depends on if the standard applied is singular or plural...

 

[Vittorio]

Not many Freezoners are as outspoken or been around as long as Terril pushing the Freezone.

But anyway, I think I'm a little tired of wheeling out the same old information and feel that this thread has had it's day.

The FZ is not for me.