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Re: The Tech Error of ’62-’63—How it Went Negative: RogerB’s FZ Presentation in Pasa
In the thread "Australians in Scientology" RoberB said:
To which I replied:
Well I've had a chance to watch them and here are my comments (without evaluation):
Part 1:
Oppose vs Complement - Apparently a workable viewpoint, may be from an earlier universe. I also refer to a well-known alternative to LRH's five solutions of the Black Panther mechanism, which is "to co-operate with the black panther." Of course this could lead to some strange bedfellows (e.g. Scn and IRS! now there's a GPM item ...)
Inversion from survive to succumb at tone 2.5 or so (aka "Power Inversion") - This was well known in the Sydney Org around 1975, and although I have no LRH reference to hand it is assumed that he had this datum. The resultant chart of four quadrants is a bit binary or black/white compared even to the early data available in "Science of Survival" but serves to illustrate the issue.
Part 2:
Causer -> Receiver seems like the basis of the Comm Formula to me, not a case issue.
Part 3:
I assume you refer to PAB 64 "First Postulate" of 1955 - not 1954 - here (HCOB Vol II p279). If so I can't see what you're attributing to LRH at all, you might like to re-read it and discuss further.
Part 4:
Skill of receiving emanations - Well yes, probably an OT ability but certainly unreal to an average Scn newcomer.
Ascension experiences - sound just like key-outs redefined to me. They get rehabbed prior to starting a major action. And your point is ... ?
Stuff the PC wants handled - I agree this was a weak point when I came in. There is such a thing as an optional and C/S-defined "Wants Handled Rundown" (part of NED??? Dunno, I did the HSDC) but seems to only relate to the Mest-U (physical universe) case. Apparently Scn as represented by the Bridge Chart only regards a PC as a body until he has done the OT levels. No point complaining that OT IX and above aren't available to you, it's a do-it-yourself job at this stage.
Maniac-like OTs - IMHO seem to be a symptom of an incomplete case, and/or out-ethics, and/or a fixation on SPs being everywhere (false data).
Part 5:
Celebration of wins necessary - I got this data as a case feature from Allen Wright a few years ago. He (figuratively) crashed after qualifying for Olympic selection as a cyclist and winning his first heat too easily, and it took him a very long time to find the why. He did quite a good video presentation on it which I have tucked away somewhere.
Pleasant / unpleasant sensations - Yep. Thetan's equivalent of a chocolate fix.
Impressing others with ability - see Ser Facs, ethics, O/W tech. Nothing new here.
Process from the top down - where's the top, Roger? We're all looking for that higher Q after all.
Overall impressions (with evaluation): Seem to be outlining errors, secrets revealed, new discoveries that in actual fact are mostly in the tech. Those things which are truly new discoveries would either be unreal to most, or relate to case phenomena that - in the main - belong beyond the current realms of Scn as she is practiced (aka para-Scientology). Thus potentially valuable to advanced cases, assuming they aren't simply cognitions that one normally experiences along the way.
Conclusions:
1. The case against GPM running - either implanted or real - isn't proven anywhere here.
2. The PC should take auditing at his own speed and intersperse it with study to fill in the gaps.
3. There is NO WORLD SHATTERING RUSH to get through this, except in the reg's mind.
BTW as far as the quadrant chart (Cause-Complement-Destructive-Weak) goes, I can personally see innumerable instances in present life of all but Cause. I have recently become aware that I am now knowingly Cause, and am exterior of my standard "case" and very aware of the theta universe as separate from Mest and also from individual thought. I am also able to directly address it as something to run processes on for the first time.
Your data here on ESMB have been useful in my achieving that state, whatever it might be, through enhancing the ability to see new viewpoints.
As a final comment, Allen Wright used to say that one of the things he'd like to do when he got OT was to run the Grades processes again to get all the latent gain out of them. I now know what he meant, although it seems to blow by scanning and inspection now.
Rob
In the thread "Australians in Scientology" RoberB said:
See my discussion on this here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...on-in-Pasadena
To which I replied:
Read but not fully digested. I'll give it some further thought once I'm able to watch the videos, which is impossible here on the yacht. Hell of a storm today, very windy indeed.
Well I've had a chance to watch them and here are my comments (without evaluation):
Part 1:
Oppose vs Complement - Apparently a workable viewpoint, may be from an earlier universe. I also refer to a well-known alternative to LRH's five solutions of the Black Panther mechanism, which is "to co-operate with the black panther." Of course this could lead to some strange bedfellows (e.g. Scn and IRS! now there's a GPM item ...)
Inversion from survive to succumb at tone 2.5 or so (aka "Power Inversion") - This was well known in the Sydney Org around 1975, and although I have no LRH reference to hand it is assumed that he had this datum. The resultant chart of four quadrants is a bit binary or black/white compared even to the early data available in "Science of Survival" but serves to illustrate the issue.
Part 2:
Causer -> Receiver seems like the basis of the Comm Formula to me, not a case issue.
Part 3:
I assume you refer to PAB 64 "First Postulate" of 1955 - not 1954 - here (HCOB Vol II p279). If so I can't see what you're attributing to LRH at all, you might like to re-read it and discuss further.
Part 4:
Skill of receiving emanations - Well yes, probably an OT ability but certainly unreal to an average Scn newcomer.
Ascension experiences - sound just like key-outs redefined to me. They get rehabbed prior to starting a major action. And your point is ... ?
Stuff the PC wants handled - I agree this was a weak point when I came in. There is such a thing as an optional and C/S-defined "Wants Handled Rundown" (part of NED??? Dunno, I did the HSDC) but seems to only relate to the Mest-U (physical universe) case. Apparently Scn as represented by the Bridge Chart only regards a PC as a body until he has done the OT levels. No point complaining that OT IX and above aren't available to you, it's a do-it-yourself job at this stage.
Maniac-like OTs - IMHO seem to be a symptom of an incomplete case, and/or out-ethics, and/or a fixation on SPs being everywhere (false data).
Part 5:
Celebration of wins necessary - I got this data as a case feature from Allen Wright a few years ago. He (figuratively) crashed after qualifying for Olympic selection as a cyclist and winning his first heat too easily, and it took him a very long time to find the why. He did quite a good video presentation on it which I have tucked away somewhere.
Pleasant / unpleasant sensations - Yep. Thetan's equivalent of a chocolate fix.
Impressing others with ability - see Ser Facs, ethics, O/W tech. Nothing new here.
Process from the top down - where's the top, Roger? We're all looking for that higher Q after all.
Overall impressions (with evaluation): Seem to be outlining errors, secrets revealed, new discoveries that in actual fact are mostly in the tech. Those things which are truly new discoveries would either be unreal to most, or relate to case phenomena that - in the main - belong beyond the current realms of Scn as she is practiced (aka para-Scientology). Thus potentially valuable to advanced cases, assuming they aren't simply cognitions that one normally experiences along the way.
Conclusions:
1. The case against GPM running - either implanted or real - isn't proven anywhere here.
2. The PC should take auditing at his own speed and intersperse it with study to fill in the gaps.
3. There is NO WORLD SHATTERING RUSH to get through this, except in the reg's mind.
BTW as far as the quadrant chart (Cause-Complement-Destructive-Weak) goes, I can personally see innumerable instances in present life of all but Cause. I have recently become aware that I am now knowingly Cause, and am exterior of my standard "case" and very aware of the theta universe as separate from Mest and also from individual thought. I am also able to directly address it as something to run processes on for the first time.
Your data here on ESMB have been useful in my achieving that state, whatever it might be, through enhancing the ability to see new viewpoints.
As a final comment, Allen Wright used to say that one of the things he'd like to do when he got OT was to run the Grades processes again to get all the latent gain out of them. I now know what he meant, although it seems to blow by scanning and inspection now.
Rob
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